Re: Code of Conduct plan

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com> wrote:
> On 9/14/18 1:31 AM, Chris Travers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 PM Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us
>> <mailto:tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>> wrote:
>>
>> I wrote:
>> > Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net <mailto:sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>>
>> writes:
>> >> We seem to be a bit past that timeline... Do we have any update
>> on when
>> >> this will be moving forward?
>> >> Or did I miss something?
>>
>> > Nope, you didn't. Folks have been on holiday which made it hard
>> to keep
>> > forward progress going, particularly with respect to selecting
>> the initial
>> > committee members. Now that Magnus is back on shore, I hope we can
>> > wrap it up quickly --- say by the end of August.
>>
>> I apologize for the glacial slowness with which this has all been
>> moving.
>> The core team has now agreed to some revisions to the draft CoC based
>> on
>> the comments in this thread; see
>>
>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
>>
>> (That's the updated text, but you can use the diff tool on the page
>> history tab to see the changes from the previous draft.)
>>
>>
>> I really have to object to this addition:
>> "This Code is meant to cover all interaction between community members,
>> whether or not it takes place within postgresql.org <http://postgresql.org>
>> infrastructure, so long as there is not another Code of Conduct that takes
>> precedence (such as a conference's Code of Conduct)."
>
>
> I second that objection. It is not in PGDG's remit to cure the world, for
> whatever form of cure you ascribe to. This is especially true as 'community
> member' has no strict definition.

I understand the concern, however, if you look at how attacks happen
it is frequently through other sites. Specifically under/poorly
moderated sites. For specific examples, people who have issues with
people on Quora will frequently go after them on Facebook and Twitter.

these aren't a solution looking for a problem. If we just want to look
at the clusterfuck that is happening in the reddis community right now
we can see conversations spilling onto twitter and into ad hominem
vitriol.

My $0.02
-- Rob Eckhardt

>
>
>>
>> That covers things like public twitter messages over live political
>> controversies which might not be personally directed. At least if one is
>> going to go that route, one ought to *also* include a safe harbor for
>> non-personally-directed discussions of philosophy, social issues, and
>> politics. Otherwise, I think this is asking for trouble. See, for example,
>> what happened with Opalgate and how this could be seen to encourage use of
>> this to silence political controversies unrelated to PostgreSQL.
>>
>>
>> I think we are about ready to announce the initial membership of the
>> CoC committee, as well, but that should be a separate post.
>>
>> regards, tom lane
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Wishes,
>> Chris Travers
>>
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> Adrian Klaver
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