| From: | Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> |
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| To: | Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz> |
| Cc: | Greg Burd <greg(at)burd(dot)me>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com, thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com, exclusion(at)gmail(dot)com, amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com, hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi |
| Subject: | Re: WAL record CRC calculated incorrectly because of underlying buffer modification |
| Date: | 2026-10-28 15:57:53 |
| Message-ID: | ltpgwdyln5m7lxpg6percgvqiiu27bcn7wrha2hg3xh5xoijrw@4ep2gttp3t44 |
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On 2026-10-27 08:06:48 +0900, Michael Paquier wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2026 at 09:46:18AM -0400, Andres Freund wrote:
> > I frankly think it's pretty much unacceptable for a niche index like hash to
> > violate the rules like that. If it were btree, it'd perhaps be worthwhile to
> > add generic infrastructure for this, but here it doesn't seem like the juice
> > is worth the squeeze.
>
> I'm definitely not convinced that hash is a sufficient argument for
> having more infrastructure. What this is telling us here is the
> contrary: we should have less infrastructure. So I'd love to be able
> to put REGBUF_NO_CHANGE in the garbage bin and have an assert in the
> replay code instead of silently ignoring a case.
Agreed.
> > I'm not really convinced by that argument. It's probably the best answer in
> > the back branches, but I think we shouldn't do this in master.
>
> I'm not sure that I can side with your argument here. Doing nothing
> on master means that we're still open to the CRC problem until we
> decide to fix hash, so it still looks like a problem that needs to be
> tackled in three steps:
> - Avoid the CRC problem down to v17, including HEAD.
> - Address hash to avoid the rule breakage.
> - Lift the check in replay for wal_consistency_checking (re-add the
> assert) and push REGBUF_NO_CHANGE into orbit.
Fair enough. I guess I'd hoped that one of the folks involved in adding the
hash index WAL logging would chime in and fix this properly.
> There is nothing more permanent than a temporary fix, as some say,
> but I'd like to trust in something happening for hash.
I guess I don't have that trust in this case. This IIRC isn't the first
complaint about the odd locking stuff that hash has.
Ceterum censeo index access/hash esse delendum.
Greetings,
Andres Freund
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