Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1

From: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: "Jonathan S(dot) Katz" <jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(at)eisentraut(dot)org>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, corey(dot)huinker(at)gmail(dot)com
Subject: Re: PG 18 relnotes and RC1
Date: 2025-09-18 18:19:30
Message-ID: aMxNMl7jq-2SUEyw@nathan
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 01:38:44PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> That seems completely backwards to me. We should go with the version
> that was submitted weeks ago and upon which people have had the
> opportunity to comment unless you can justify each change that you now
> want to make at the last minute. Why for example should we drop
> mentioning the ability to return OLD.* and NEW.* in favor of mentioned
> UUIDv7? I'd argue that the former is more important than the latter,
> and I don't see how you can argue otherwise except by appealing to the
> research you've done over the last several weeks. But none of us have
> access to that or got a vote in it. These things ought to be decided
> by consensus. If you want your research to feed into the building of
> that consensus, you need to do it and present it earlier. For example,
> if you want to present survey results, I think that's a great way to
> help decide these kinds of things, but then other people should have
> the right to present their own survey results and so on in that
> conversation too.

Quick analysis of the differences:

Common:
* AIO
* skip scan
* pg_upgrade
* UUIDv7
* virtual generated columns
* OAuth

Only v1 (my patch):
* OLD/NEW for RETURNING
* temporal constraints
* EXPLAIN enhancements

Only v2 (Jonathan's):
* conflict logging

While the EXPLAIN enhancements and conflict logging items seem like super
useful features, I can see how there might be disagreement over whether
they belong in the major features list. I'm a little more surprised about
the omission of OLD/NEW and temporal contraints in v2, though.

That being said, I'm tempted to suggest we UNION the two lists, bikeshed
over the exact wording for a few hours, and then call it day...

--
nathan

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