Re: when the startup process doesn't (logging startup delays)

From: Simon Riggs <simon(dot)riggs(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>
To: Bharath Rupireddy <bharath(dot)rupireddyforpostgres(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com>, Nitin Jadhav <nitinjadhavpostgres(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>, Justin Pryzby <pryzby(at)telsasoft(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: when the startup process doesn't (logging startup delays)
Date: 2022-11-15 14:27:55
Message-ID: CANbhV-GudLz3At6=LnK8G=86pPWOGC0ucSzdtGXx-v-tsAPKtg@mail.gmail.com
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 at 13:33, Bharath Rupireddy
<bharath(dot)rupireddyforpostgres(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:31 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 7:37 AM Simon Riggs
> > <simon(dot)riggs(at)enterprisedb(dot)com> wrote:
> > > > Whilte at it, I noticed that we report redo progress for PITR, but we
> > > > don't report when standby enters archive recovery mode, say due to a
> > > > failure in the connection to primary or after the promote signal is
> > > > found. Isn't it useful to report in this case as well to know the
> > > > recovery progress?
> > >
> > > I think your patch disables progress too early, effectively turning
> > > off the standby progress feature. The purpose was to report on things
> > > that take long periods during recovery, not just prior to recovery.
> > >
> > > I would advocate that we disable progress only while waiting, as I've done here:
> > > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CANbhV-GcWjZ2cmj0uCbZDWQUHnneMi_4EfY3dVWq0-yD5o7Ccg%40mail.gmail.com
> >
> > Maybe I'm confused here, but I think that, on a standby, startup
> > progress messages are only printed until the main redo loop is
> > reached. Otherwise, we would print a message on a standby every 10s
> > forever, which seems like a thing that most users would not like. So I
> > think that Bharath has the right idea here.
>
> Yes, the idea is to disable the timeout on standby completely since we
> actually don't report any recovery progress. Keeping it enabled,
> unnecessarily calls startup_progress_timeout_handler() every
> log_startup_progress_interval seconds i.e. 10 seconds. That's the
> intention of the patch.

As long as we don't get the SIGALRMs that Thomas identified, then I'm happy.

--
Simon Riggs http://www.EnterpriseDB.com/

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