Re: Code of Conduct plan

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 10:31 AM Chris Travers <chris(dot)travers(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 PM Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>> > Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net> writes:
>> >> We seem to be a bit past that timeline... Do we have any update on
>> when
>> >> this will be moving forward?
>> >> Or did I miss something?
>>
>> > Nope, you didn't. Folks have been on holiday which made it hard to keep
>> > forward progress going, particularly with respect to selecting the
>> initial
>> > committee members. Now that Magnus is back on shore, I hope we can
>> > wrap it up quickly --- say by the end of August.
>>
>> I apologize for the glacial slowness with which this has all been moving.
>> The core team has now agreed to some revisions to the draft CoC based on
>> the comments in this thread; see
>>
>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
>>
>> (That's the updated text, but you can use the diff tool on the page
>> history tab to see the changes from the previous draft.)
>>
>
> I really have to object to this addition:
> "This Code is meant to cover all interaction between community members,
> whether or not it takes place within postgresql.org infrastructure, so
> long as there is not another Code of Conduct that takes precedence (such as
> a conference's Code of Conduct)."
>
> That covers things like public twitter messages over live political
> controversies which might not be personally directed. At least if one is
> going to go that route, one ought to *also* include a safe harbor for
> non-personally-directed discussions of philosophy, social issues, and
> politics. Otherwise, I think this is asking for trouble. See, for
> example, what happened with Opalgate and how this could be seen to
> encourage use of this to silence political controversies unrelated to
> PostgreSQL.
>

Suggestion instead:

"Personally directed behavior is not automatically excluded from this code
of conduct merely because it does not happen on the postgresql.org
infrastructure. In the case where a dispute of such a nature occurs
outside said infrastructure, if other parties are unable to act, this code
of conduct may be considered where it is, on the balance, in the interest
of the global community to do so."

This preserves the ability to act, without basically providing the same
invitation for problems.

>> I think we are about ready to announce the initial membership of the
>> CoC committee, as well, but that should be a separate post.
>>
>> regards, tom lane
>>
>>
>
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