Re: PostgreSql and VMS operating System

From: Vish Penmetsa <vish(dot)penmetsa(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com>, pgsql-advocacy(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSql and VMS operating System
Date: 2025-01-26 02:36:24
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The people who have responded are - Bruce,Christophe,Adrian,Tom,Daniel and
I hope one of you can volunteer to track my mails in the initial stages

I hope to pursue the VMS and the reasons are as follows
1. It is (probably) the best operating system - Virtual Memory Mgmt
2. As I had mentioned there could be a good combination with Datascience &
Python
3. Probably it will keep me away from being meddlesome with PostgreSql
until some contributions are reviewed and signs of positive progress
are noticeable.
As a first step I try to prepare myself for reading postgresql code .
FYI my efforts go on these lines -

First is a learning reference tool second is a Code editor both picked from
Python.
[image: libpq1.PNG]

[image: libpq2.PNG]

The work look may not look very sophisticated as I had been a jack of all
dabbling in too many activities.

I look forward to one of the long term members to keep a focus on my emails.

Sincerely,
PKV Raju ( Vish Penmetsa)

On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 8:39 AM Vish Penmetsa <vish(dot)penmetsa(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:

> I hope some people who have worked on VMS can get me started on VMS like
> providing me a VM I ( So I could focus on postgresql and vms
> not losing the initial enthusiasm by working on sysadmin part of it).
>
> My intention is to provide PostgreSql Solutions (advocacy) which provide
> value to the client such as an out of the box Directory Server and a
> similar network server bundled with PostgreSql.
>
> Linux had really changed the whole dynamics of the Unix operating system
> Usage which has been a boon to development communities
> but I feel even OpenVMS could be a tremendous benefit to development
> community if it is available on the samelines of Linux.
>
> I could try to write justifications but I feel we need to take some small
> steps first with proof for suggested reasons for doing things.
>
> I would feel like a clown saying that I have a hunch that we could strike
> it rich ( like in mining) by mixing Datascience,PostgreSql,Python & VMS( A
> strategy for advocacy).
>
> This would be first starting point for me. As we go forward things might
> whittle down.
>
> Perhaps as a starting point I think there is some assembly line thinking
> and machine thinking built into VMS architecture so there could be a
> natural fit
> for Deep Learning etc.
>
> I am not a computing expert ( I was a mgmt graduate) but the starting
> points of performance for me are systems optimization,machine
> tuning,assembly line optimization ( Mfrg) and VMS has been traditionally
> strong in these areas in terms of usage.
>
> We could probably do a survey of existing VMS clients if there is a way
> and if there are experts who could join that will be great too.
>
> The way I look at it is out of liking to spend time on PostgreSql,Unix &
> VMS I am looking to contribute sometime if it could be useful to the
> community.
>
> Step1 of pgsql-advocary is to port applications onto pgsql or develop new
> applications. As part of this I am trying to
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 5:19 AM Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/24/25 15:21, Vish Penmetsa wrote:
>> > I used to work in Ingres support and one of the things was teaching
>> > Architecture of Ingres( seminar so just theory without handson )
>> .Coming
>> > from a trainer( dong tech support training on site consulting etc)
>> > people might have seen as shallow my discussions about advanced
>> features
>> > of VMS.
>> >
>> > I will try to start working on this and probably note the features
>> which
>> > justify
>> > the port with some comparative findings) and see if that could get more
>> > people interested.
>> >
>>
>> I think it would be more useful to establish first whether there are
>> existing users of VMS that would like to see a port of Postgres. What
>> you are proposing, trying to get people to adopt a new to them OS as way
>> to get a port is quite a hurdle.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Adrian Klaver
>> adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com
>>
>>

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