| From: | Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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| To: | Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org> |
| Cc: | Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla <srinath2133(at)gmail(dot)com>, Mihail Nikalayeu <mihailnikalayeu(at)gmail(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres(at)gmail(dot)com>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Robert Treat <rob(at)xzilla(dot)net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding REPACK [concurrently] |
| Date: | 2026-04-01 09:39:31 |
| Message-ID: | CAA4eK1K=214d_Ya8jqMJQHamKxQXu8pxHux_cT0Ew0-AeE4K5Q@mail.gmail.com |
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 11:54 PM Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org> wrote:
>
> On 2026-Mar-31, Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla wrote:
>
> > In this case, there's no circular wait. The deadlock detector never
> > fires. REPACK simply queues behind the SELECT, eventually hits its
> > lock_timeout, aborts and cleans up.Initially, I thought this cleanup
> > was expected behavior. But after seeing your solution to protect
> > REPACK from losing its transient table work, I thought it's "not
> > expected".
>
> Yeah. Keep in mind that REPACK could have been running for many hours
> or even days before it reaches the point of acquiring its AEL lock to do
> the final swap; and it may well be critical work. We do not want to
> lose it. So whatever is waiting to obtain a lock on the table, or
> already has a lock on the table, has to yield.
>
> > If the goal is to prevent REPACK's work from being wasted, should we
> > error out the backend that is making REPACK wait during the final swap
> > phase? I am thinking of something conceptually similar to
> > ResolveRecoveryConflictWithLock, actively cancelling the conflicting
> > session to allow the AEL upgrade to proceed.
>
> Something like that might be appropriate, yeah.
>
What about if the blocking process is an autovacumm that is working to
prevent XID wraparound? I think we already avoid killing it in such
cases. BTW, one can say that cancelling a long-running report query
also wastes a lot of effort of the user generating such a report. Why
can't REPACK wait for such a select to finish instead of cancelling
it?
--
With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
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