Re: Some other things about contrib/bloom and generic_xlog.c

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Craig Ringer <craig(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: Michael Paquier <michael(dot)paquier(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Teodor Sigaev <teodor(at)sigaev(dot)ru>, PostgreSQL mailing lists <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Some other things about contrib/bloom and generic_xlog.c
Date: 2016-04-12 12:48:09
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Craig Ringer <craig(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
> If you rely on shared_preload_libraries, then "oops, I forgot to put
> myextension in shared_preload_libraries on the downstream" becomes a Bad
> Thing. There's no way to go back and redo the work you've passed over. You
> have to recreate the standby. Worse, it's silently wrong. The server has no
> idea it was meant to do anything and no way to tell the user it couldn't do
> what it was meant to do.

No, that's not right. If you rely on shared_preload_libraries, then
you'd just have the server die like this:

FATAL: I don't know how to replay a record for extension rmgr "craigrules".
HINT: Add the necessary library to shared_preload_libraries and
restart the server.

That seems 100% fine, although maybe we could adopt the convention
that the user-visible extension rmgr name should match the shared
library name, just as we do for logical decoding plugins (IIRC), and
the server can try to load a library by that name and continue.

> We can't register redo routines in the catalogs because we don't have access
> to the syscaches etc during redo (right?).


> So how do we look at a generic log record, say "ok, the upstream that wrote
> this says it needs to invoke registered generic xlog hook 42, which is
> <func> from <extension> at <ptr>" ?

Record enough information in WAL that the rmgrs can have names instead
of ID numbers. Stick the list of extension rmgrs in use into each
checkpoint record and call it good.

> Personally I'd be willing to accept the limitations of the s_p_l and hook
> approach to the point where I think we should add the hook and accept the
> caveats of its use ... but I understand the problems with it. I understand
> not having custom redo routine support in this iteration of the patch. It's
> somewhat orthogonal job to this patch anyway - while handy for specific
> relation generic xlog, custom redo routines make most sense when combined
> with generic xlog that isn't necessarily associated with a specific
> relation. This patch doesn't support that.

Yeah. And while this patch may (probably does) have technical defects
that need to be cured, I don't think that's an argument against this
approach. For prototyping, this is totally fine. For
performance-critical stuff, probably not so much. But if you don't
give people a way to prototype stuff and extend the system, then they
won't be as likely to innovate and make new stuff, and then we won't
get as many new patches for core proposing new and innovative things.
I think it's great that we are finally getting close to make the
access method system truly extensible - that has been a clear need for
a long time, and I think we are going about it in the right way. We
can add more in the future.

Robert Haas
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

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