Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: Code of Conduct plan

From: gilberto(dot)castillo(at)etecsa(dot)cu
To: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
Cc: Chris Travers <chris(dot)travers(at)adjust(dot)com>, Gavin Flower <GavinFlower(at)archidevsys(dot)co(dot)nz>, Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com>, pgsql-general(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org, PostgreSQL Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: Code of Conduct plan
Date: 2018-06-05 15:39:56
Message-ID: 8f088b21407b8f14b903d62320a8690a@etecsa.cu
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O.K,

Remember my Country Please!!!!.

El 2018-06-05 11:29, Joshua D. Drake escribió:
> On 06/05/2018 07:45 AM, Chris Travers wrote:
>
>> It is my hope that PostgreSQL.Org -Core chooses members for that
>> committee that are exceedingly diverse otherwise it is just an
>> echo
>> chamber for a single ideology and that will destroy this
>> community.
>>
>>
>> If I may suggest:  The committee should be international as well and
>> include people from around the world.  The last thing we want is for
>> it to be dominated by people from one particular cultural viewpoint.
>>
>
> +1
>
>
>> "considered offensive by fellow members"
>>
>> Is definitely too broad. The problem comes in here:
>>
>> I might possibly say that "I'm the master in this area" when
>> talking to someone on a technical subject.  In the sense that
>> I'm better at that particular skill, but some hypersensitive
>> American could get their knickers in a twist (notice, that in
>> this context, no gender is implied -- also in using that that
>> expression "get their knickers in a twist" could offend some
>> snowflake) claiming that I'm suggesting that whoever
>>
>>
>> "snowflake", I find that term hilarious others find it highly
>> offensive. Which is correct?
>>
>>
>> I agree with both concerns in the above exchange.
>>
>> This is an economic common project.  The goal should be for people to
>> come together and act civilly.  Waging culture war using the code of
>> conduct itself should be a violation of the code of conduct and this
>> goes on *all* (not just one or two) sides.
>>
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> Yes and that is a problem. We need to have some simple barrier of
>> acceptance that we are all adults here (or should act like
>> adults).
>> Knowing your audience is important.
>>
>>
>> I would point out also that the PostgreSQL community is nice and
>> mature.  At PGConf US I saw what appeared to be two individuals with
>> red MAGA hats.  And yet everyone managed to be civil.  We manage to do
>> better than the US does on the whole in this regard and we should be
>> proud of ourselves.
>
> To be fair, those were South Africans but yes, nobody gave them any
> public grief as far as I know.
>
>>
>> Correct. I think one way to look at all of this is, "if you
>> wouldn't
>> say it to your boss or a client don't say it here". That too has
>> problems but generally speaking I think it keeps the restrictions
>> rational.
>>
>>
>> I will post a more specific set of thoughts here but in general I
>> think the presumption ought to be that people are trying to work
>> together. Misunderstanding can happen.  But let's try to act in a
>> collegial and generally respectful way around eachother.
>
> +1
>
> JD

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