Re: Code of Conduct plan

On 06/05/2018 07:45 AM, Chris Travers wrote:

> It is my hope that PostgreSQL.Org -Core chooses members for that
> committee that are exceedingly diverse otherwise it is just an echo
> chamber for a single ideology and that will destroy this community.
>
>
> If I may suggest:  The committee should be international as well and
> include people from around the world.  The last thing we want is for it
> to be dominated by people from one particular cultural viewpoint.
>

+1

> "considered offensive by fellow members"
>
> Is definitely too broad. The problem comes in here:
>
> I might possibly say that "I'm the master in this area" when
> talking to someone on a technical subject.  In the sense that
> I'm better at that particular skill, but some hypersensitive
> American could get their knickers in a twist (notice, that in
> this context, no gender is implied -- also in using that that
> expression "get their knickers in a twist" could offend some
> snowflake) claiming that I'm suggesting that whoever
>
>
> "snowflake", I find that term hilarious others find it highly
> offensive. Which is correct?
>
>
> I agree with both concerns in the above exchange.
>
> This is an economic common project.  The goal should be for people to
> come together and act civilly.  Waging culture war using the code of
> conduct itself should be a violation of the code of conduct and this
> goes on *all* (not just one or two) sides.
>

[snip]

>
> Yes and that is a problem. We need to have some simple barrier of
> acceptance that we are all adults here (or should act like adults).
> Knowing your audience is important.
>
>
> I would point out also that the PostgreSQL community is nice and
> mature.  At PGConf US I saw what appeared to be two individuals with red
> MAGA hats.  And yet everyone managed to be civil.  We manage to do
> better than the US does on the whole in this regard and we should be
> proud of ourselves.

To be fair, those were South Africans but yes, nobody gave them any
public grief as far as I know.

>
> Correct. I think one way to look at all of this is, "if you wouldn't
> say it to your boss or a client don't say it here". That too has
> problems but generally speaking I think it keeps the restrictions
> rational.
>
>
> I will post a more specific set of thoughts here but in general I think
> the presumption ought to be that people are trying to work together.
> Misunderstanding can happen.  But let's try to act in a collegial and
> generally respectful way around eachother.

+1

JD

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