Re: PostgreSQL (fwd)

From: Ed Loehr <eloehr(at)austin(dot)rr(dot)com>
To: kaiq(at)realtyideas(dot)com
Cc: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org>, Oliver Elphick <olly(at)lfix(dot)co(dot)uk>, pgsql-general(at)PostgreSQL(dot)org, "Adien(dot)Reynald(dot)Suresh(dot)Lopez" <ca9alo(at)isis(dot)sunderland(dot)ac(dot)uk>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL (fwd)
Date: 2000-04-13 19:06:04
Message-ID: 38F61A9C.35418C52@austin.rr.com
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kaiq(at)realtyideas(dot)com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 kaiq(at)realtyideas(dot)com wrote:
> >
> > > perhaps you'd better first find an evaluation copy of informix, seems that
> > > they have more systematic and well-thought feature set.
> > >
> > > there are some historical relations between informix (esp. Object
> > > relational features) -- share the same original source code!
> > >
> > > my understanding is that more recent pg focus is to make it as a
> > > strong mission critical (i.e. "real", "industrial") relational
> > > db. so, the OO or OR features -- esp. "advanced" ones -- are kind
> > > of putting aside. so, that is why I suggest you take a look on informix
> > > first.
> >
> > this is a totally uninformed and inaccurate assessment ... the current
> > state of OO/OR features in PgSQL has been sitting pretty much on one
> > persons shoulders ... v7.0 has some extensions/fixes added in this arena,
> > and we would very much welcome anyone that wishes to work with us towards
> > further improvements on this ...
>
> it's not fair! It is understandable that you love PG, but it does not
> mean you can be blindly doing that!
>
> it is a plain fact that OR/OO features are not the focus in recent years,
> and some of them are broken or not work right, no mention of
> documentations.
> And, informix is certainly a better product in that regards! -- and I also
> emphasized the crucial advantage of PG that it is open source and people
> esp. master degree candidate can contribute and leave a good trail.
>
> -- Please tell me, why and where is this info is uninformed?!

Wading into the fray...

"Totally uninformed and inaccurate" also strikes me as an unfair
characterization of his response. I think his assessment was informed, at
least if you give any credit to one of the current postgresql hackers,
Peter Eisenstraut:

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=603519208

Kaiq may be wrong, possibly not knowing of more informative conversations
going on in the private pgsql mailing lists (pg-core, etc.), but he is not
coming from left field.

Regards,
Ed Loehr

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