Re: Bug with pg_ctl -w/wait and config-only directories

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Mr(dot) Aaron W(dot) Swenson" <titanofold(at)gentoo(dot)org>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Bug with pg_ctl -w/wait and config-only directories
Date: 2011-10-03 18:19:17
Message-ID: 201110031819.p93IJHC29146@momjian.us
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> writes:
> > Config-only directories seem to be only adding confusion. All possible
> > solutions seem to be adding more code and user requirements, which the
> > creation of symlinks avoids.
>
> > Is it time for me to ask on 'general' if removal of this feature is
> > warranted?
>
> Well, the way we could fix it is to invent the parse-the-config-files
> option that was alluded to recently. Then pg_ctl would continue to
> take the -D switch or PGDATA environment variable with the same meaning
> that the postmaster attaches to it, and would do something like
>
> postgres --print-config-value=data_directory -D $PGDATA
>
> to extract the actual location of the data directory.

That works, assuming the server was not started with -o
'data_directory=/abc'. The only workaround there would be to have
pg_ctl supply the -o, even on pg_ctl stop, and parse that in pg_ctl.

> Whether this is worth the trouble is highly debatable IMO. One obvious
> risk factor for pg_ctl stop/restart is that the current contents of
> postgresql.conf might not match what they were when the postmaster was
> started.
>
> I was never exactly thrilled with the separate-config-directory design
> to start with, so I'm probably not the person to opine on whether we
> could get away with removing it.

The entire thing seems logically broken, to the point where even if we
did get code working, few users would even understand it.

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