Re: Let's Do the CoC Right

David et. Al,
Sorry for top-posting but it's late, and I'm using lame outlook.
I haven't said anything recently, because I decided to open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the Coc debate.

If you read my earlier posts, you should know that I am vehemently against anything that sounds like http://contributor-covenant.org. True I don't speak for all mixed race women or women or minorities or left-handers or windows users, or whatever special interest group you think I belong to. I speak for myself.

I am especially disgusted by the people behind http://contributor-covenant.org. They have done nothing but to silence the voices of minorities. That's being kind to them.

A Coc if we have one, which I personally don't think we should, should assume all people are here because they find PostgreSQL useful and want to encourage its use and extend its functionality.

So like I have said before as an example PostGIS doesn't have a Coc listed on our website, but we do have this:
http://postgis.net/development/ "Getting Involved" section, which Paul Ramsey put together a while back, and made me feel pretty welcome.

Which essentially says - "we are individuals with a common love for this thing, get to know who we are, jump in to help us and your voice will be heard."
That's pretty much all I care about when getting involved in any community.

Thanks,
Regina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajeev Bhatta [mailto:techie(dot)rajeev(at)yahoo(dot)in]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:00 AM
To: David E. Wheeler <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>; pgsql-general <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Let's Do the CoC Right

On Friday 22 January 2016 10:55 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
> Fellow PostgreSQLers,
>
> I can t help that there are a whole lot of white guys working on this document, with very little feedback from the people who it s likely to benefit (only exception I spotted in a quick scan was Regina; sorry if I missed you). I suspect that most of you, like me, have never been the target of the kinds os behaviors we want to forbid. Certainly not to the level of many women, transgendered, and people of color I know of personally, in this community and others, who have. If those people are not speaking up here, I suspect it s because they don t expect to be heard. A bunch of white guys who run the project have decided what it s gonna be, and mostly cut things out since these threads started.
>
> But a *whole* lot of thought has gone into the creation of CoCs by the people who need them, and those who care about them. They have considered what sorts of things should be covered, what topics specifically addressed, and how to word them so as to enable the most people possible to feel safe, and to appropriately address issues when they inevitably arise, so that people continue to feel safe.
>
> So I d like to propose that we not try to do this ourselves. Instead, I propose that we take advantage of the ton of thought others have already put into this, and simply:
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> * Follow the example of many other successful communities (Swift, Mono, Rails, and 10,000 others) and adopt the open-source Contributor Covenant, unmodified.
>
> http://contributor-covenant.org
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> * Put this document in the root directory of the project as CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md, so that anyone who wants to contribute can. It should also be listed on the main web site and referenced from appropriate places (such as the mail lists pages).
>
> * Spell out a policy and procedure for enforcement and include it as a separate document, again in the Git rep and on the site. The reporting address should be included in the Covenant. The Covenant web site has links to a number of existing guides we ought to crib from.
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
Hi David, whatever be the race of the select few who built the CoC, the categorization of them as white is inappropriate.. The CoC is meant to be allowing free communication across all members of the community irrespective of their color, race, sexuality, gender, nationality or for that matter whatever their personal viewpoint is.

Additionally the CoC emails were sent to the entire group so it was open for all. I did not read the remainder of the email as classifying someone by anything is inappropriate.

Thanks

Regards
Rajeev