From: | "Jonathan S(dot) Katz" <jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
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To: | Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
Cc: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Justin Pryzby <pryzby(at)telsasoft(dot)com>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Shruthi Gowda <gowdashru(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: pg15b2: large objects lost on upgrade |
Date: | 2022-08-03 22:55:05 |
Message-ID: | ddf43511-32fd-fc22-1b36-8e6c733a55b0@postgresql.org |
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On 8/3/22 2:08 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:47 PM Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>> Again, this seems to me to be breaking the test's real-world applicability
>> for a (false?) sense of stability.
>
> I agree.
>
> A lot of the VACUUM test flappiness issues we've had to deal with in
> the past now seem like problems with VACUUM itself, the test's design,
> or both. For example, why should we get a totally different
> pg_class.reltuples because we couldn't get a cleanup lock on some
> page? Why not just make sure to give the same answer either way,
> which happens to be the most useful behavior to the user? That way
> the test isn't just targeting implementation details.
After catching up (and reviewing approaches that could work while on
poor wifi), it does make me wonder if we can have a useful test ready
before beta 3.
I did rule out wanting to do the "xid + $X" check after reviewing some
of the output. I think that both $X could end up varying, and it really
feels like a bandaid.
Andres suggested upthread using "txid_current()" -- for the comparison,
that's one thing I looked at. Would any of the XID info from
"pg_control_checkpoint()" also serve for this test?
If yes to the above, I should be able to modify this fairly quickly.
Jonathan
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