Re: Avoid orphaned objects dependencies, take 3

From: Bertrand Drouvot <bertranddrouvot(dot)pg(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Jeff Davis <pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com>
Cc: Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Roman Eskin <r(dot)eskin(at)arenadata(dot)io>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Alexander Lakhin <exclusion(at)gmail(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Subject: Re: Avoid orphaned objects dependencies, take 3
Date: 2026-06-05 13:12:34
Message-ID: aiLLQsQIEd7CKpYY@bdtpg
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Hi,

On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 10:17:57AM -0700, Jeff Davis wrote:
> Given that we don't do another name lookup, the object Oid doesn't
> change, and it's not obvious why we need a loop in this path.
>
> A sequence like:
>
> Earlier during DDL processing:
> 0. Name lookup and ACL check (and track ACLs)
>
> When recording dependencies:
> 1. Lock object
> 2. Check that it still exists, error if not
> 3. recheck tracked ACLs, error if failure
>
> could work too, right?

Yeah, that's a good point, thanks!

> I see why you might want to do the checks while not holding the lock,
> but it doesn't seem like a requirement (if the user doesn't have
> permissions it should fail quickly and release).

I agree that we can get rid of the loop and that's what v24 shared up-thread [1]
is now implementing. The downside is that one could take a lock on an object
he has no privileges on but then, as you said, it will be released shortly after.

[1]: https://postgr.es/m/aiLKkTC6QBt8i35P%40bdtpg

Regards,

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Bertrand Drouvot
PostgreSQL Contributors Team
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