Re: Initcap works differently with different locale providers

On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 2:44 PM Peter Eisentraut <peter(at)eisentraut(dot)org> wrote:
>
> On 04.08.25 22:59, Jeff Davis wrote:
> > On Mon, 2025-08-04 at 12:30 +0700, Oleg Tselebrovskiy wrote:
> >> First patch just adds this warning about not relying on initcap()
> >> exact
> >> result. The second one is the same, but removes the part "what is a
> >> word"
> >> since it's could be moot because we recommend writing custom
> >> functions,
> >> so understanding what is a word is not exactly needed. Still on the
> >> fence
> >> about which patch is better, though
> >
> > One more thing: we should also change it to "... to upper case (or
> > title case) and the rest to lower case...". Title case is for scripts
> > that have characters like 'Dž' (U+01C5).
> >
> > Other than that I like the second version, which un-documents the
> > specific word boundary rules. I'll admit I'm not quite sure how people
> > use this function in practice, but I expect that it's mostly convenient
> > (or lazy) display.
>
> It's meant to be an Oracle-compatible function, so maybe someone can
> check there for some details.
>
> https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/sqlrf/INITCAP.html
>
> I think we should try to document the behavior more precisely. But we
> probably first have to agree what it should be.
>
> > Alexander, is there a reason you backported this change? I don't
> > normally backport doc improvements like this, but I'm not sure what
> > standard others use. The fact that it's on 7 branches makes me more
> > reluctant to commit these extra improvements on top. Can you take care
> > of these follow-up patches? Or, just revert the change and I can make
> > the improvements in master.
>
> Yes, I was not in favor of backpatching this, since it was not a bug
> fix. And it turns out it was incomplete. I think we should revert all
> the backpatches and iterate on getting the documentation the way we want
> in master.

Got it. Sorry for the confusion. I'll revert patches from back
branches and then continue to work on the subject for master.

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Regards,
Alexander Korotkov
Supabase