From: | "David G(dot) Johnston" <david(dot)g(dot)johnston(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> |
Cc: | Hannu Krosing <hannuk(at)google(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Robert Pang <robertpang(at)google(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: Hardening PostgreSQL via (optional) ban on local file system access |
Date: | 2022-06-24 23:29:38 |
Message-ID: | CAKFQuwZopC-EeJZZHRuykjA4tU9hntxFkPrd_-KiKr16Kzg8vg@mail.gmail.com |
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 4:13 PM Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2022-06-25 00:08:13 +0200, Hannu Krosing wrote:
> > Currently the file system access is controlled via being a SUPREUSER
> > or having the pg_read_server_files, pg_write_server_files and
> > pg_execute_server_program roles. The problem with this approach is
> > that it will not stop an attacker who has managed to become the
> > PostgreSQL SUPERUSER from breaking out of the server to reading and
> > writing files and running programs in the surrounding container, VM or
> > OS.
>
> If a user has superuser rights, they automatically can execute arbitrary
> code. It's that simple. Removing roles isn't going to change that. Our code
> doesn't protect against C functions mismatching their SQL level
> definitions. With that you can do a lot of things.
>
>
Using only psql connected by the postgres role, without touching the
filesystem to bootstrap your attack, how would this be done? If you
specify CREATE FUNCTION ... LANGUAGE c you have to supply filename
references, not a code body and you won't have been able to put that code
on the server.
We should be capable of having the core server be inescapable to the
filesystem for a superuser logged in remotely. All such access they can do
with the filesystem would be mediated by controlled code/APIs.
C-based extensions would be an issue without a solution that does provide
an inescapable sandbox aside from going through our API. Which I suspect
is basically impossible given our forked process driven execution model.
David J.
David J.
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