Re: procedures and plpgsql PERFORM

From: Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: "David G(dot) Johnston" <david(dot)g(dot)johnston(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh(dot)bapat(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: procedures and plpgsql PERFORM
Date: 2017-12-14 16:46:47
Message-ID: CAFj8pRD_Juqra1L-dOEWAm4gwgZYQWcKTQbDbYQdugAHCHKThw@mail.gmail.com
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2017-12-14 17:10 GMT+01:00 David G. Johnston <david(dot)g(dot)johnston(at)gmail(dot)com>:

> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>> > Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh(dot)bapat(at)enterprisedb(dot)com> writes:
>> >> We allow a function to be invoked as part of PERFORM statement in
>> plpgsql
>> >> ...
>> >> But we do not allow a procedure to be invoked this way
>> >
>> >> Procedures fit that category and like functions, I think, we should
>> >> allow them be invoked directly without any quoting and CALL
>> >> decoration.
>> >
>> > How is that going to work? What if the procedure tries to commit the
>> > current transaction?
>> >
>> > IOW, this is not merely a syntactic-sugar question.
>>
>> BTW, We've already come to (near-but good enough) consensus that
>> PERFORM syntax is really just unnecessary, and I submitted a patch to
>> make it optional (which I really need to dust off and complete).
>
>
> ​Except right now PERFORM doesn't exist in SQL and is a pl/pgsql keyword
> to specify a specific limited form of the SQL SELECT command. CALL is an
> SQL command. I don't see any real upside to allowing pl/pgsql to accept
> omission of the command tag while SQL cannot - at least not without a
> use-case describe why such syntax would be beneficial. And likely those
> use cases would revolve around some looping variant as opposed to a single
> stand-alone, result-less, CALL.
>
> If we do keep "PERFORM" in the pl/pgsql vocab I'd consider the following
> enhancement:
> PERFORM func() => SELECT func()
> PERFORM proc() => CALL proc()
>

I don't like this idea - functions are not procedures - can be nice if it
will be visible.

Pavel

> I prefer Merlin's suggestion to just documenting that PERFORM is
> deprecated and works only with functions - and that to use procedures in
> pl/pgsql just use the normal SQL CALL command. And to write: "SELECT
> func()" to invoke functions, again just like one would in an SQL script.
>
> David J.
>

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