| From: | Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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| To: | Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> |
| Cc: | PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi> |
| Subject: | Re: Why clearing the VM doesn't require registering vm buffer in wal record |
| Date: | 2026-03-05 20:23:12 |
| Message-ID: | CAEze2Wh7f1zA7xQ8tR4pfuSUj6SuuVOcN5_+PkZP-69f+u-wFQ@mail.gmail.com |
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 at 20:56, Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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> Today Andres and I noticed that heap_{update,insert,delete}() don't
> register the VM buffer when they are clearing the VM. I was under the
> impression that any buffers modified needed to be registered in the
> WAL record. Without which, you'll never do an FPI. It seems like this
> could cause checksum failures. What are we missing?
Might it be, because zeroing a VM page (which you would do when you
encounter checksum failures) is an MVCC-safe operation?
I agree with you that we probably _should_ register the VM (and
possibly FSM) buffer, but that's a bit of a different story. Right
now, the VM does not use the standard page format (nor does the FSM),
and therefore every FPI would be the full 8KB, even when just a few
bits of the VM page are in use; which would be a rather large waste of
space.
On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 at 21:16, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> wrote:
>
> But it does seem like it could be a problem for incremental backup /
> walsummarizer?
I don't think it is, because that doesn't do calculations for non-main
forks, it considers those forks always changed and includes them in
full. Or at least, that was the response I got when I raised concerns
about the FSM back when the incremental backup feature was being
developed [0].
Kind regards,
Matthias van de Meent
Databricks (https://databricks.com)
[0] https://postgr.es/m/CA%2BTgmoaR8o%2BPBeWc_2Ge0XVgoM7xWKNyDmqXoTov%3DS6_J1gecQ%40mail.gmail.com
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