Re: Bypassing Directory Ownership Check in PostgreSQL 16.6 with Secure z/OS NFS (AT-TLS)

From: Benjamin Wang <benjamin(dot)ahrtr(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: "Peter J(dot) Holzer" <hjp-pgsql(at)hjp(dot)at>, pgsql-general(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Bypassing Directory Ownership Check in PostgreSQL 16.6 with Secure z/OS NFS (AT-TLS)
Date: 2025-07-14 19:02:27
Message-ID: CADVOZZ5D7bR_2fcqonVc5CE6wkwDb1smzZf+V7MVspw+1NKhRQ@mail.gmail.com
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I am not sure whether PostgreSQL depends on system call `fsyncdata` to
sync data to disk. If yes, then I don't think it's safe to use NFS.
When `fsyncdata` returns success, it doesn't mean the data has
really been synced to disk. But if PostgreSQL crashes right after
it returns success to clients. Eventually it breaks the D (Durability) of
ACID.

Benjamin

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 7:31 PM Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:

> "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-pgsql(at)hjp(dot)at> writes:
> > On 2025-07-14 10:07:20 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> >> That is primarily for safety reasons: if for some reason the
> >> filesystem gets dismounted, or hasn't come on-line yet during
> >> a reboot, you do not want Postgres to be able to write on the
> >> underlying mount-point directory.
>
> > Be careful: There are two different directorys involved in a mount
> > point. The one in the parent filesystem and the one in the mounted file
> > system.
>
> True, and the safety requirement really is only that the parent
> filesystem's mount-point directory not be writable by us.
> But normal practice is that both directories are root-owned,
> or at least owned by highly privileged users.
>
> (I have a vague idea that there are system-level security hazards,
> not specific to Postgres, if mount-point directories are publicly
> writable. Don't feel like researching that though.)
>
> regards, tom lane
>
>
>

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