Re: Freeze avoidance of very large table.

From: Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
Cc: Kyotaro HORIGUCHI <horiguchi(dot)kyotaro(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Jim Nasby <Jim(dot)Nasby(at)bluetreble(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(dot)paquier(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>, Petr Jelinek <petr(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Greg S <stark(at)mit(dot)edu>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Freeze avoidance of very large table.
Date: 2016-02-16 14:56:25
Message-ID: CAD21AoAwnnQw2B=2MA_0x63CHGn-XjiknX82YP4oPkQAysE52Q@mail.gmail.com
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 6:13 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 04:39:15PM +0900, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote:
>> > I still agree with this plugin approach, but I felt it's still
>> > complicated a bit, and I'm concerned that patch size has been
>> > increased.
>> > Please give me feedbacks.
>>
>> Yeah, I feel the same. What make it worse, the plugin mechanism
>> will get further complex if we make it more flexible for possible
>> usage as I proposed above. It is apparently too complicated for
>> deciding whether to load *just one*, for now, converter
>> function. And no additional converter is in sight.
>>
>> I incline to pull out all the plugin stuff of pg_upgrade. We are
>> so prudent to make changes of file formats so this kind of events
>> will happen with several-years intervals. The plugin mechanism
>> would be valuable if we are encouraged to change file formats
>> more frequently and freely by providing it, but such situation
>> absolutely introduces more untoward things..
>
> I agreed on ripping out the converter plugin ability of pg_upgrade.
> Remember pg_upgrade was originally written by EnterpriseDB staff, and I
> think they expected their closed-source fork of Postgres might need a
> custom page converter someday, but it never needed one, and at this
> point I think having the code in there is just making things more
> complex. I see _no_ reason for community Postgres to use a plugin
> converter because we are going to need that code for every upgrade from
> pre-9.6 to 9.6+, so why not just hard-code in the functions we need. We
> can remove it once 9.5 is end-of-life.
>

Hm, we should rather remove the source code around PAGE_CONVERSION and
page.c at 9.6?

Regards,

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Masahiko Sawada

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