Re: NOT NULL CHECK (mycol !='') :good idea? bad idea?

From: Michael Moore <michaeljmoore(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com>
Cc: David W Noon <david(dot)w(dot)noon(at)googlemail(dot)com>, postgres list <pgsql-sql(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: NOT NULL CHECK (mycol !='') :good idea? bad idea?
Date: 2016-06-03 19:25:42
Message-ID: CACpWLjPzYZh-s=bX0VWaQ8mEBNQrQ25Fmj=Z6_5PJnZ+2sOWNg@mail.gmail.com
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com>
wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 11:56 AM, David W Noon wrote:
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>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:16:33 -0700, Michael Moore
>> (michaeljmoore(at)gmail(dot)com) wrote about "[SQL] NOT NULL CHECK (mycol
>> !='') :good idea? bad idea?" (in
>> <CACpWLjPX-_80aXcJFbk7wxZWKPTs2Fyeywe=6HmgorzV2U=n7A(at)mail(dot)gmail(dot)com>):
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>> In Oracle, a NOT NULL constraint on a table column of VARCHAR in
>>> essence says: "You need to put at least 1 character for a value".
>>> There is no such thing as a zero-length string in Oracle, it's
>>> either NULL or it has some characters.
>>>
>>
>> So Oracle is not compliant with ANSI standard SQL.
>>
>
> Though it looks like they want to be:
>
> http://docs.oracle.com/database/121/SQLRF/sql_elements005.htm#SQLRF30037
>
> "Note:
> Oracle Database currently treats a character value with a length of zero
> as null. However, this may not continue to be true in future releases, and
> Oracle recommends that you do not treat empty strings the same as nulls."
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Thanks guys,
Just checking. (pun intended)

I'm guessing that Oracle when the way they did just for convenience. It's
hard to imagine a use case where you would NOT want to treat NULL the same
as you would a zero-length string. I would think that when a user writes
the query:
SELECT customer_number from TCUSTOMER where customer name is NULL; what
they actually want is:
SELECT customer_number from TCUSTOMER where customer name is NULL or
customer_name = '';

Oh well, it is what it is.
thanks again,
Mike

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