From: | Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> |
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To: | Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz> |
Cc: | Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Bossart, Nathan" <bossartn(at)amazon(dot)com>, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)oss(dot)nttdata(dot)com>, Justin Pryzby <pryzby(at)telsasoft(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Mark Dilger <mark(dot)dilger(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, Don Seiler <don(at)seiler(dot)us>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Estimating HugePages Requirements? |
Date: | 2022-04-22 07:49:34 |
Message-ID: | CABUevEwPPxR-SD55UWDLZuLa2UVGY+OQpVPPvO82X10MU_hLcA@mail.gmail.com |
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 00:12 Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 02:07:26PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > But neither would the suggestion of redirecting stderr to /dev/null.
> > In fact, doing the redirect it will *also* throw away any FATAL that
> > happens. In fact, using the 2>/dev/null method, we *also* remove the
> > message that says there's another postmaster running in this
> > directory, which is strictly worse than the override of
> > log_min_messages.
>
> Well, we could also tweak more the command with a redirection of
> stderr to a log file or such, and tell to look at it for errors.
>
That's would be a pretty terrible ux though.
> > That said, the redirect can be removed without recompiling postgres,
> > so it is probably still hte better choice as a temporary workaround.
> > But we should really look into getting a better solution in place once
> > we start on 16.
>
> But do we really need a better or more invasive solution for already
> running servers though? A SHOW command would be able to do the work
> already in this case. This would lack consistency compared to the
> offline case, but we are not without option either. That leaves the
> case where the server is running, has allocated memory but is not
> ready to accept connections, like crash recovery, still this use case
> looks rather thin to me.
I agree that thats a very narrow use case. And I'm nog sure the use case of
a running server is even that important here - it's really the offline one
that's important. Or rather, the really compelling one is when there is a
server running but I want to check the value offline because it will
change. SHOW doesn't help there because it shows the value based on the
currently running configuration, not the new one after a restart.
I don't agree that the redirect is a solution. It's a workaround.
>> My solution for the docs is perhaps too confusing for the end-user,
> >> and we are talking about a Linux-only thing here anyway. So, at the
> >> end, I am tempted to just add the "2> /dev/null" as suggested upthread
> >> by Nathan and call it a day. Does that sound fine?
> >
> > What would be a linux only thing?
>
> Perhaps not at some point in the future. Now that's under a section
> of the docs only for Linux.
>
Hmm. So what's the solution on windows? I guess maybe it's not as important
there because there is no limit on huge pages, but generally getting the
expected shared memory usage might be useful? Just significantly less
important.
/Magnus
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