Re: Open Item: Should non-text EXPLAIN always show properties?

From: James Coleman <jtc331(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Developers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Justin Pryzby <pryzby(at)telsasoft(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Jeff Davis <pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com>
Subject: Re: Open Item: Should non-text EXPLAIN always show properties?
Date: 2020-06-25 19:29:17
Message-ID: CAAaqYe8NJm6JkKDtAsNTcHFwoLKffY_Z9VxZQGyh2u=24947mg@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:33 PM Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>
> Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:42 AM James Coleman <jtc331(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> >> Yesterday I'd replied [1] to Justin's proposal for this WRT
> >> incremental sort and expressed my opinion that including both
> >> unnecessarily (i.e., including disk when an in-memory sort was used)
> >> is undesirable and confusing and leads to shortcuts I believe to be
> >> bad habits when using the data programmatically.
>
> > +1.
>
> I think the policy about non-text output formats is "all applicable
> fields should be included automatically". But the key word there is
> "applicable". Are disk-sort numbers applicable when no disk sort
> happened?
>
> I think the right way to think about this is that we are building
> an output data structure according to a schema that should be fixed
> for any particular plan shape. If event X happened zero times in
> a given execution, but it could have happened in a different execution
> of the same plan, then we should print X with a zero count. If X
> could not happen period in this plan, we should omit X's entry.
>
> So the real question here is whether the disk vs memory decision is
> plan time vs run time. AFAIK it's run time, which leads me to think
> we ought to print the zeroes.

Do we print zeroes for memory usage when all sorts ended up spilling
to disk then? That might be the current behavior; I'd have to check.
Because that's a lie, but we don't have any better information
currently (which is unfortunate, but hardly in scope for fixing here.)

James

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