Re: Supported Windows version for the Windows installer

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David Rader
davidr(at)openscg(dot)com

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:

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> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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>>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
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>>>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Magnus Hagander <
>>>>>>> magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
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>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Magnus Hagander <
>>>>>>>>> magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Magnus Hagander <
>>>>>>>>>>> magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 28, 2017, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <
>>>>>>>>>>>> adsmail(at)wars-nicht(dot)de> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Windows download site:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.postgresql.org/download/windows/
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does not list the supported Windows versions. Someone just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent a question to de(at)postgresql(dot)org, asking if Windows 10 is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supported.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can the website be updated, and include the supported Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions?
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>>>>>>>>>>>> (Why yes, I am catching up to old email, what makes you think
>>>>>>>>>>>> that?)
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>>>>>>>>>>>> This seems like a very good idea.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave, do you think this is something that's doable? This is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> information that changes *that* often after all, it can probably be
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonably maintained manually if you can get it onto the appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>> checklist?
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>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's too much to easily update manually, can we set up some
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of feed from the EDB pages that we can pull and automate the update?
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>>>>>>>>>>> It would probably be kinda messy to try to put the info on that
>>>>>>>>>>> page. It can be found at https://www.enterprisedb.com/s
>>>>>>>>>>> ervices/edb-supported-products-and-platforms#postgresql.
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>>>>>>>>>> Not sure that's more messy than we have for others?
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>>>>>>>>> Pretty sure it would be. I can work up a patch though if you want.
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>>>>>>>> Sure, please do.
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>>>>>>>> I was envisioning something like a simple matrix showing earliest
>>>>>>>> and newest version of Windows supported for each major tree or something
>>>>>>>> like that. But perhaps you had something more detailed in mind?
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>>>>>>> How about the attached?
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>>>>>> We really should have a bigger difference between <h2> and <h3>, but
>>>>>> that's not the job of this patch. And I think having the details trumps
>>>>>> that part.
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>>>>> They looked quite different to me.
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>>>> They should look mroe different :P
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>>>>> In general this looks good, I think.
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>>>>>> Would people be confused if we just drop the "Windows" part, and just
>>>>>> say "2008R2" etc? And maybe just say "64-bit windows platforms" in the
>>>>>> header? There's a huge amount of repetition of that.
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>>>>> I don't think that would be an issue. I'll do the same for macOS
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>>>> *much* less cluttered and easy to read.
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>>>> The Windows page has "advanced users can use zip archive" after the
>>>> table, and macos before. That should probably be made consistent :)
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>>> Fixed.
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>>>>>> We should probably ask for the same info from the BigSQL people, and
>>>>>> I'm worried of information overload then.
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>>>>>> For the linux installers on redhat/debian/whatnot, it would be good
>>>>>> if the debian page only listed debian versions, redhat only listed
>>>>>> redhat/centos/oel etc. I realize that means a bit more duplication, but I
>>>>>> think that would make it a lot easier for the user.
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>>>>> See attached.
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>>>> Much nicer as well!
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>>>>> For the linux installers I think ther'es another problem as well --
>>>>>> they're listed under "other linux", but AFAICT there isn't actually a
>>>>>> single platform that falls under the "other linux" supported on any
>>>>>> version. This is of course a pre-existing problem -- the previous text
>>>>>> contradicts itself already.
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>>>>> There's Amazon Linux - but honestly I see that page as more of a
>>>>> "catch-all".
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>>>> I suggest dropping the table completely from that page, and replacing
>>>> it with a generic sentence.
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>>>> Something along the line of "The installers are not specifically tested
>>>> on other linux distributions, but can be expected to work in most cases" or
>>>> something like that?
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>>> Done, and pushed.
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>> Thanks!
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>> Now we just have to try to keep it in sync :) Perhaps something to add to
>> the major release checklist?
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> I added a note.
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> --
> Dave Page
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Attached is a patch to make the Windows platform apply for both available
installers in a single table.

This patch adds a row for PG 10 (Beta) -I think it's good to include now to
get users testing.

Finally, this moves the platform table to the bottom of the page, where it
logically makes sense to compare between available platforms and avoid the
side effect of making only a single distribution visible on shorter browser
windows.

Please review and let me know if you have any objections?

Thanks
Dave