| From: | Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi> |
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| To: | Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> |
| Cc: | Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com>, Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres(at)gmail(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com>, Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(dot)paquier(at)gmail(dot)com> |
| Subject: | Re: Buffer locking is special (hints, checksums, AIO writes) |
| Date: | 2025-12-02 13:38:34 |
| Message-ID: | 8926bc6a-cab3-4edf-acf2-02b4cbeb7c9b@iki.fi |
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On 02/12/2025 15:20, Andres Freund wrote:
> On 2025-12-02 10:01:06 +0200, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
>> But speaking of that: why do we not allow two processes to concurrently set
>> hint bits on a page anymore?
>
> It'd make the locking a lot more complicated without much of a benefit.
>
> The new share-exclusive lock mode only requires one additional bit of lock
> state, for the single allowed holder. If we wanted a new lockmode that
> prevented the page from being written out concurrently, but could be held
> multiple times, we'd need at least MAX_BACKENDS bits for the lock level
> allowing hint bits to be set and another lock level to acquire while writing
> out the buffer.
>
> At the same time, there seems to be little benefit in setting hint bits on a
> page concurrently. A very common case is that the same hint bit(s) would be
> set by multiple backends, we don't gain anything from that. And in the cases
> where hint bits were intended to be set for different tuples, the window in
> which that is not allowed is very narrow, and the cost of not setting right in
> that moment is pretty small and the cost of not setting the hint bit right
> then and there isn't high.
>
> Makes sense?
Yep, makes sense. Would be good to put that in a comment somewhere, and
in the commit message. "We could allow multiple backends to set hint
bits concurrently, but it'd make the lock implementation more complicated"
- Heikki
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