Re: 9.6 -> 10.0

From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Jim Nasby <jim(at)nasby(dot)net>, Justin Clift <justin(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Cc: Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim(at)gunduz(dot)org>, pgsql-advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: 9.6 -> 10.0
Date: 2016-04-11 15:29:07
Message-ID: 570BC2C3.3040901@commandprompt.com
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On 04/10/2016 04:23 PM, Jim Nasby wrote:

>> From that:
>>
>> * SQL compliant identifiers
>> * Remove RULEs
>> * Change recovery.conf
>> * Change block headers
>> * Retire template0, template1
>> * Optimise FSM
>> * Add heap metapage
>> * Alter tuple headers
>

[snip]

>
> I've tried (unsuccessfully) 3 times now to write an email starting that
> discussion. I think this is an important topic that needs to be
> discussed, but it's not clear how to even get that ball rolling. Even
> without the inevitable flood of "Have you lost your mind?" type replies,
> I don't that we even have a robust enough process to make an intelligent
> decision. Sure, there could be wiki pages or something about this, but
> those won't move discussion by themselves.
>
> Maybe the first question that needs to be answered is how we can
> actually move the community to an informed decision about this.
>

What is the problem we are trying to solve?

SQL compliant indentifiers? Is there a sizeable user base requesting this?

Remove Rules? Why?

Retire template0, template1? Why?

I think those are the questions we need answered. Having a list of what
might be done in the future to break compatibility without a statement
as to the problem they cause or how the process will fix that problem is
basically hand waiving.

(note there are a couple that are obvious, heap metapage, optimise FSM
etc...)

Sincerely,

JD

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