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Re: bad advocacy by TWiki bigwig

From: Dirk Riehle <dirk(at)riehle(dot)org>
To: Koen Martens <pgsql(at)metro(dot)cx>
Cc: pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org, Peter Thoeny <peter(at)thoeny(dot)org>
Subject: Re: bad advocacy by TWiki bigwig
Date: 2008-02-17 08:59:41
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Hi all,

I know the folks and was curious why they would be bashing 
PostgreSQL, so I asked Peter Thoeny about this. He asked me to post his 
clarification on Koen's email, see below. Please don't respond to me, 
I'm not involved in the TWiki community. If you have further comments 
please address Peter directly.



Public statement by Peter Thoeny, founder:

Dear PostgreSQL community,

Please accept my apologies on behalf of the TWiki community. I took 
notes during the meeting, and I am sorry I did not log all relevant 
pieces that have been said about PostgreSQL during the meeting.

Since Rod is out of town, let me try to state what Rod said at the 
meeting, to the best of my recollection:

"PostgreSQL has arguably the best open source RDBMS technology, but 
unfortunately they lost market share to companies with lesser 
technology. I consider the PostgreSQL business model a failure, because 
there is no leading company associated with it. This has been publicly 
stated by some PostgreSQL community members." He went on to say that 
successful models are open source communities with one driving company 
alongside them: MySQL, RedHat/Fedora, Zimbra, JBoss, etc.

I find it unfortunate that Koen is using words in this forum like "bad 
advocacy by TWiki bigwig" without first clarifying things with the 
person involved. I am not sure what the intent of this e-mail was. It is 
too easy to take stuff out of context in an online medium.

Full disclosure: TWIKI.NET is working towards a win/win/win for the 
TWiki community, sponsoring companies and customers. Koen is in a small 
group of TWiki consultants who have not bought into this strategy.

My apologies again for the stir, kind regards,


Koen Martens wrote:
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> Hey All,
> I'm an active member of the TWiki community, which is an open source structured wiki. We had a community summit these past two days. It was in the US, and i attended virtually, one of the attendants was not too positive about PostgreSQL:
> search for 'postgres' on that page and you'll see.
> Just thought i'd share it (well, after i shared it on #postgresql-eu Andreas prompted me to share it here too)!
> While at it, we're currently revising the governance of the TWiki project, and i wrote this topic today:
> Hope i got my facts straight!
> Gr,
> Koen
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