| From: | Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> |
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| To: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
| Cc: | Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
| Subject: | Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) |
| Date: | 2019-07-07 19:05:26 |
| Message-ID: | 430200ed-1751-6c36-826e-4dcc7e5d8cd0@2ndquadrant.com |
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On 2019-07-05 22:24, Tomas Vondra wrote:
> What if the granular encryption (not the "whole cluster with a single
> key") case does not encrypt whole blocks, but just tuple data? Would
> that allow at least the most critical WAL use cases (recovery, physical
> replication) to work without having to know all the encryption keys?
Finding the exact point where you divide up sensitive and non-sensitive
data would be difficult.
For example, say, you encrypt the tuple payload but not the tuple
header, so that vacuum would still work. Then, someone who has access
to the raw data directory could infer in combination with commit
timestamps for example, that on Friday between 5pm and 6pm, 10000
records were updated, 500 were inserted, and 200 were deleted, and that
table has about this size, and this happens every Friday, and so on.
That seems way to much information to reveal for an allegedly encrypted
data directory.
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Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
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