From: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(at)vondra(dot)me> |
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To: | David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com>, Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Robert Treat <rob(at)xzilla(dot)net>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Should we update the random_page_cost default value? |
Date: | 2025-10-08 10:01:40 |
Message-ID: | 3400df27-4f2a-4f27-834a-5f7ba058f26d@vondra.me |
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On 10/8/25 06:02, David Rowley wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 at 08:15, Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> I've been doing this sort of thing for clients a long time, and I always test both directions when I come across a query that should be faster. For real-world queries, 99% of them have no change or improve with a lowered rpc, and 99% get worse via a raised rpc. So color me unconvinced.
>
> I wonder how much past experience for this on versions before v18
> count in now that we have AIO. The bar should have moved quite
> significantly with v18 in terms of how often Seq Scans spend waiting
> for IO vs Index Scans. So maybe Tomas's results shouldn't be too
> surprising. Maybe the graph would look quite different with io_method
> = 'sync'.. ?
>
Interesting idea, and I'll try to run this on 17 and/or on 18/sync. I
should have some results tomorrow.
But based on the testing I've done on 18beta1 (in the thread about what
should be the default for io_method), I doubt it'll change the outcome
very much. It showed no change for indexscans, and seqscans got about 2x
as fast. So the random_page_cost will be about 1/2 of what the earlier
results said - that's a change, but it's still more than 2x of the
current value.
Let's see if the results agree with my guess ...
regards
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Tomas Vondra
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