| From: | Tatsuo Ishii <ishii(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
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| To: | assam258(at)gmail(dot)com |
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| Subject: | Re: Row pattern recognition |
| Date: | 2026-07-06 06:02:21 |
| Message-ID: | 20260706.150221.1117486145015185971.ishii@postgresql.org |
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Hi Henson,
> In those cases the model is still correct, for a slightly different
> reason than the (A|A) rewrite: the executor evaluates each DEFINE
> predicate once per row, not once per PATTERN occurrence. For each
> row it evaluates every DEFINE once and keeps the boolean results in
> a varMatched array.
>
> When the same A appears at several positions in the pattern -- for
> example the A in each branch of (A B | A C), which are distinct
> states -- each looks up varMatched[A], so the same entry is read
> more than once; but that read reuses the already-computed value, not
> a re-evaluation. So repetition in PATTERN never multiplies DEFINE
> evaluations, and charging once per DEFINE variable in the cost model
> matches what the executor actually does.
>
> The related question that does run the other way is that today we
> evaluate every DEFINE for a row eagerly, not just the ones that row
> actually needs. For example, in PATTERN (A B C D) a single match
> walks the sequence one variable per row -- each row only needs to
> test the single variable its state expects -- yet we still evaluate
> A, B, C, and D at every row.
>
> That is the short-circuit / lazy DEFINE evaluation Jian raised on
> 2026-05-26 using that very (A B C D) example (evaluate a predicate
> only the first time a state tests it). If we ever adopt it, the
> cost model's premise -- every DEFINE once per row -- would change
> with it, so the two are tied together.
>
> There's also a soundness angle that argues for keeping it separate.
> DEFINE already forbids volatile functions and sequence operations
> (nextval), so the obvious non-deterministic cases are out. The
> wrinkle lazy evaluation adds is that a predicate would then be
> evaluated zero or one times per row -- skipped whenever no state
> reaches it -- rather than always. Whether that is safe for a
> predicate carrying some state-affecting behavior the volatility ban
> does not exclude is something I haven't worked through, so it wasn't a
> call I'd want to make lightly under the current review.
>
> As we discussed, that one is best left as a separate series after
> the initial commit, and since it was Jian's idea I'd be glad to see
> him drive it. For now I'd keep it out of the in-flight review so the
> commit stays small.
Agreed.
Regards,
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Tatsuo Ishii
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