|From:||Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>|
|To:||Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>|
|Cc:||Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Ashutosh Sharma <ashu(dot)coek88(at)gmail(dot)com>, Mark Dilger <mark(dot)dilger(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <masahiko(dot)sawada(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, "Andrey M(dot) Borodin" <x4mmm(at)yandex-team(dot)ru>, MBeena Emerson <mbeena(dot)emerson(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>|
|Subject:||Re: recovering from "found xmin ... from before relfrozenxid ..."|
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On 2020-09-20 13:13:16 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> 2. As Amit suspected, there's an inconsistency between pruneheap.c's
> rules for which tuples are removable and vacuum.c's rules for that.
> This seems like a massive bug in its own right: what's the point of
> pruneheap.c going to huge effort to decide whether it should keep a
> tuple if vacuum will then kill it anyway? I do not understand why
> whoever put in the GlobalVisState stuff only applied it in pruneheap.c
> and not VACUUM proper.
The reason for that is that the GlobalVisState stuff is computed
heuristically (and then re-checked if that's not sufficient to prune a
tuple, unless already done so). That's done so GetSnapshotData() doesn't
have to look at each backends ->xmin, which is quite a massive speedup
at higher connection counts, as each backends ->xmin changes much more
often than each backend's xid.
But for VACUUM we need to do the accurate scan of the procarray anyway,
because we need an accurate value for things other than HOT pruning
What do you exactly mean with the "going to huge effort to decide" bit?
> I think to move forward, we need to figure out what the freezing
> behavior ought to be for temp tables. We could make it the same
> as it was before a7212be8b, which'd just require some more complexity
> in vacuum_set_xid_limits. However, that negates the idea that we'd
> like VACUUM's behavior on a temp table to be fully independent of
> whether concurrent transactions exist. I'd prefer to allow a7212be8b's
> behavior to stand, but then it seems we need to lobotomize the error
> check in heap_prepare_freeze_tuple to some extent.
I think that's an argument for what I suggested elsewhere, which is that
we should move the logic for a different horizon for temp tables out of
vacuum_set_xid_limits, and into procarray.
> Independently of that, it seems like we need to fix things so that
> when pruneheap.c is called by vacuum, it makes EXACTLY the same
> dead-or-not-dead decisions that the main vacuum code makes. This
> business with applying some GlobalVisState rule or other instead
> seems just as unsafe as can be.
It's not great, I agree. Not sure there is a super nice answer
though. Note that, even before my changes, vacuumlazy can decide
differently than pruning whether a tuple is live. E.g. when an inserting
transaction aborts. That's pretty much unavoidable as long as we have
multiple HTSV calls for a tuple, since none of our locking can (nor
should) prevent concurrent transactions from aborting.
Before your new code avoiding the GetOldestNonRemovableTransactionId()
call for temp tables, the GlobalVis* can never be more pessimistic than
decisions based ona prior GetOldestNonRemovableTransactionId call (as
that internally updates the heuristic horizons used by GlobalVis).
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