Re: [PATCH] Incremental sort (was: PoC: Partial sort)

From: Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
To: James Coleman <jtc331(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Justin Pryzby <pryzby(at)telsasoft(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Rafia Sabih <rafia(dot)pghackers(at)gmail(dot)com>, Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Shaun Thomas <shaun(dot)thomas(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Dmitry Dolgov <9erthalion6(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alexander Korotkov <a(dot)korotkov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru>, PostgreSQL Developers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Andreas Karlsson <andreas(at)proxel(dot)se>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Incremental sort (was: PoC: Partial sort)
Date: 2020-04-07 15:34:15
Message-ID: 20200407153415.bryipivg2xv4ex6w@development
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On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 08:40:30AM -0400, James Coleman wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:25 AM Justin Pryzby <pryzby(at)telsasoft(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:57:22PM +0200, Tomas Vondra wrote:
>> > I've pushed the fist part of this patch series - I've reorganized it a
>>
>> I scanned through this again post-commit. Find attached some suggestions.
>>
>> Shouldn't non-text explain output always show both disk *and* mem, including
>> zeros ?
>
>Could you give more context on this? Is there a standard to follow?
>Regular sort nodes only ever report one type, so there's not a good
>parallel there.
>
>> Should "Pre-sorted Groups:" be on a separate line ?
>> | Full-sort Groups: 1 Sort Method: quicksort Memory: avg=28kB peak=28kB Pre-sorted Groups: 1 Sort Method: quicksort Memory: avg=30kB peak=30kB
>
>I'd originally had that, but Tomas wanted it to be more compact. It's
>easy to adjust though if the consensus changes on that.
>

I'm OK with changing the format if there's a consensus. The current
format seemed better to me, but I'm not particularly attached to it.

>> And, should it use two spaces before "Sort Method", "Memory" and "Pre-sorted
>> Groups"? I think you should maybe do that instead of the "semicolon
>> separator". I think "two spaces" makes sense, since the units are different,
>> similar to hash buckets and normal sort node.
>>
>> "Buckets: %d Batches: %d Memory Usage: %ldkB\n",
>> appendStringInfo(es->str, "Sort Method: %s %s: %ldkB\n",
>>
>> Note, I made a similar comment regarding two spaces for explain(WAL) here:
>> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20200402054120.GC14618%40telsasoft.com
>>
>> And Peter E seemed to dislike that, here:
>> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/ef8c966f-e50a-c583-7b1e-85de6f4ca0d3%402ndquadrant.com
>
>I read through that subthread, and the ending seemed to be Peter
>wanting things to be unified. Was there a conclusion beyond that?
>

Yeah, I don't think there was a clear consensus :-(

>> Also, you're showing:
>> ExplainPropertyInteger("Maximum Sort Space Used", "kB",
>> groupInfo->maxMemorySpaceUsed, es);
>>
>> But in show_hash_info() and show_hashagg_info(), and in your own text output,
>> that's called "Peak":
>> ExplainPropertyInteger("Peak Memory Usage", "kB", memPeakKb, es);
>> ExplainPropertyInteger("Peak Memory Usage", "kB",
>> spacePeakKb, es);
>
>Yes, that's a miss and should be fixed.
>

Will fix.

regards

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