Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>
Cc: Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)
Date: 2019-07-25 19:46:21
Message-ID: 20190725194621.fwlt7muyz277fivc@momjian.us
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 03:41:05PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> * Bruce Momjian (bruce(at)momjian(dot)us) wrote:
> > After talking to Joe Conway, I just want to mention that if we decide
> > that the LSN is unique among heap and index, or among heap or index, we
> > will need to make sure future WAL records retain this uniqueness.
>
> One thing comes to mind regarding this and I'll admit that I don't quite
> remember exactly off-hand but I also don't want to not mention it now
> and forget to later.
>
> What about pg_upgrade?

So, we don't carry WAL from the old cluster to the new cluster, so if
the WAL is changed and had duplicates, it would only be new WAL records.
pg_upgrade seems immune to must of this, and that is by design.
However, I am hesitant to change the heap/index page format for
encryption because if we add fields, old pages might not fit as
encrypted pages, and then you have to move rows around, and things
become _much_ more complicated.

I don't see any other pg_upgrade issues, unless someone else does. Oh,
we will have to check pg_control for a matching encryption format.

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