Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)

From: Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>
To: Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Ryan Lambert <ryan(at)rustprooflabs(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)
Date: 2019-07-09 21:31:58
Message-ID: 20190709213158.GL29202@tamriel.snowman.net
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Greetings,

* Tomas Vondra (tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com) wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 05:06:45PM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >On 2019-Jul-09, Joe Conway wrote:
> >
> >>> Ot you could just encrypt them with a different key, and you would not
> >>> need to make database OID part of the nonce.
> >>
> >>Yeah that was pretty much exactly what I was trying to say above ;-)
> >
> >So you need to decrypt each file and encrypt again when doing CREATE
> >DATABASE?
>
> The question is whether we actually need to do that? Do we change OIDs
> of relations when creating the database? If not, we don't need to
> re-encrypt because having copies of the same block encrypted with the
> same nonce is not an issue (just like copying encrypted files is not an
> issue).
>
> Of course, we may need a CREATE DATABASE option that would force
> re-encryption with a different key, but it's not necessary because of
> nonces or whatnot.

This also depends on if we actually encrypt the template databases.
Seems like that could be optional, if we're supporting different keys
for different databases.

In that case we'd need the "encrypt this database" option during CREATE
DATABASE, of course.

Thanks,

Stephen

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