|From:||Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>|
|To:||Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>|
|Cc:||"David G(dot) Johnston" <david(dot)g(dot)johnston(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Fabrízio Mello <fabriziomello(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robins Tharakan <tharakan(at)gmail(dot)com>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org>, Michael Paquier <michael(dot)paquier(at)gmail(dot)com>|
|Subject:||Re: [HACKERS] Patch: Add --no-comments to skip COMMENTs with pg_dump|
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* Tom Lane (tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us) wrote:
> > On Monday, January 22, 2018, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net> wrote:
> >> In the end, I feel like this patch has actually been through the ringer
> >> and back because it was brought up in the context of solving a problem
> >> that we'd all like to fix in a better way. Had it been simply dropped
> >> on us as a "I'd like to not have comments in my pg_dump output and
> >> here's a patch to allow me to do that" I suspect it would have been
> >> committed without anywhere near this level of effort.
> Indeed ... but it was *not* presented that way, and that's what makes
> this somewhat of a difficult call. You and Robert argued that there were
> valid use-cases, but I feel like that was somewhat of an after-the-fact
> justification, rather than an actual organic feature request.
This was definitely the kind of follow-on work that I was anticipating
happening with the rework that was done to dump_contains in a9f0e8e5a2e.
I would think that we'd support enable/disable of all of the different
component types that pg_dump recognizes, and we're most of the way there
at this point. The comment above the #define's in pg_dump.h even hints
at that- component types of an object which can be selected for dumping.
> "David G. Johnston" <david(dot)g(dot)johnston(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> > +0; but recognizing our users are going to remain annoyed by the existing
> > problem and that telling them that this is the answer will not sit well.
> FWIW, today's pg_dump refactoring got rid of one of the use-cases for
> this, namely the COMMENT ON DATABASE aspect. We got rid of another aspect
> (creating/commenting on the public schema) some time ago, via a method
> that was admittedly a bit of a hack but got the job done. What seems to
> be left is that given a default installation, pg_dump will emit a
> "COMMENT ON EXTENSION plpgsql" that can't be restored by an unprivileged
> user ... as well as a "CREATE EXTENSION IF NOT EXISTS plpgsql", which is
> an utter kluge. Maybe we can think of a rule that will exclude plpgsql
> from dumps without causing too much havoc.
Having a generic --exclude-extension=plpgsql might be interesting.. I
can certainly recall wishing for such an option when working with
> The most obvious hack is just to exclude PL objects with OIDs below 16384
> from the dump. An issue with that is that it'd lose any nondefault
> changes to the ACL for plpgsql, which seems like a problem. On the
> other hand, I think the rule we have in place for the public schema is
> preventing dumping local adjustments to that, and there have been no
> complaints. (Maybe I'm wrong and the initacl mechanism handles that
> case? If so, seems like we could get it to handle local changes to
> plpgsql's ACL as well.)
Both the public schema and plpgsql's ACLs should be handled properly
(with local changes preserved) through the pg_init_privs system. I'm
not sure what you're referring to regarding a rule preventing dumping
local adjustments to the public schema, as far as I can recall we've
basically always supported that.
Losing non-default ACLs for plpgsql seems like a step backwards.
Frankly, the comment on plpgsql is probably one of the most worthless
comments we have anyway- all it does is re-state information you
already know: it's a procedural language called 'plpgsql'. I'd
suggest we could probably survive without it, though that is a long
route to "fixing" this, though at least we could tell people it's been
fixed in newer versions and there's a kludge available until then..
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