Re: Confusing Trigger Docs.

Can someone help with this text? I think the author is right that it
needs correction or clarification.

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On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 08:07:10PM +0000, neil(at)fairwindsoft(dot)com wrote:
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> Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.6/static/trigger-definition.html
> Description:
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> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/static/trigger-definition.html
>
> This sentence:
>
> "If an INSERT contains an ON CONFLICT DO UPDATE clause, it is possible that
> the effects of all row-level BEFORE INSERT triggers and all row-level BEFORE
> UPDATE triggers can both be applied in a way that is apparent from the final
> state of the updated row, if an EXCLUDED column is referenced."
>
> is very hard to digest.
>
> Should "is apparent" really be "is not apparent"? If not, what does "is
> apparent" mean and why is this statement here?
>
> Then
>
> "There need not be an EXCLUDED column reference for both sets of row-level
> BEFORE triggers to execute, though."
>
> Does this mean that both row level BEFORE INSERT and BEFORE UPDATE triggers
> are always executed when ON CONFLICT DO UPDATE clause is present? Or is
> there some circumstance where they are not?
>
> If so, does this also mean that if I have a single trigger defined as BEFORE
> UPDATE OR INSERT that this trigger will fire twice?
>
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