Re: pg_upgrade vs extension upgrades

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: pg_upgrade vs extension upgrades
Date: 2017-04-13 19:13:31
Message-ID: 20170413191331.GA2813@momjian.us
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On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 09:02:27PM +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Peter Eisentraut <
> peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
>
> On 4/10/17 11:30, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > After you've run pg_upgrade, you have to loop through all your databases
> > and do an "ALTER EXTENSION abc UPDATE" once for each extension.
> >
> > Is there a reason we shouldn't have pg_upgrade emit a script that does
> > this, similar to how it emits a script to run ANALYZE?
>
> Shouldn't pg_dump do this, and perhaps by default? 
>
>
> If I restore a dump into another instance, I need to upgrade all my
> extensions to that installations's versions, no?  That's not particular
> to pg_upgrade.
>
> Sure, there's an argument to be made for that.  But pg_dump (or in this case,
> it would more be pg_restore I guess) also doesn't run ANALYZE or generate a
> script to do that, does it? ISTM that we have already decided that pg_upgrade
> has a different requirement on providing those things, whereas pg_dump/
> pg_restore is more of a low-level tool where people have to figure more things
> out themselves.

Well, pg_upgrade creates ./analyze_new_cluster.sh, but that just
contains:

"/u/pgsql/bin/vacuumdb" --all --analyze-in-stages

Seems like we should just get rid of ./analyze_new_cluster.sh and tell
the user to run vacuumdb directly. I guess I will have to wait for PG
11 to do that though.

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