Re: Patch: Write Amplification Reduction Method (WARM)

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie>, Pavan Deolasee <pavan(dot)deolasee(at)gmail(dot)com>, Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Jaime Casanova <jaime(dot)casanova(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Patch: Write Amplification Reduction Method (WARM)
Date: 2017-03-21 17:19:00
Message-ID: 20170321171900.GC16918@momjian.us
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 01:14:00PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> >> I think that's a good question. I previously expressed similar
> >> concerns. On the one hand, it's hard to ignore the fact that, in the
> >> cases where this wins, it already buys us a lot of performance
> >> improvement. On the other hand, as you say (and as I said), it eats
> >> up a lot of bits, and that limits what we can do in the future. On
> >> the one hand, there is a saying that a bird in the hand is worth two
> >> in the bush. On the other hand, there is also a saying that one
> >> should not paint oneself into the corner.
> >
> > Are we really saying that there can be no incompatible change to the
> > on-disk representation for the rest of eternity? I can see why that's
> > something to avoid indefinitely, but I wouldn't like to rule it out.
>
> Well, I don't want to rule it out either, but if we do a release to
> which you can't pg_upgrade, it's going to be really painful for a lot
> of users. Many users can't realistically upgrade using pg_dump, ever.
> So they'll be stuck on the release before the one that breaks
> compatibility for a very long time.

Right. If we weren't setting tuple and tid bits we could imrpove it
easily in PG 11, but if we use them for a single-change WARM chain for
PG 10, we might need bits that are not available to improve it later.

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