Re: [Lsf-pc] Linux kernel impact on PostgreSQL performance

From: Dave Chinner <david(at)fromorbit(dot)com>
To: Jim Nasby <jim(at)nasby(dot)net>
Cc: Claudio Freire <klaussfreire(at)gmail(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Kevin Grittner <kgrittn(at)ymail(dot)com>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Joshua Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman(at)suse(dot)de>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, "lsf-pc(at)lists(dot)linux-foundation(dot)org" <lsf-pc(at)lists(dot)linux-foundation(dot)org>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] Linux kernel impact on PostgreSQL performance
Date: 2014-01-16 23:23:42
Message-ID: 20140116232342.GA18112@dastard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:14:18PM -0600, Jim Nasby wrote:
> On 1/15/14, 12:00 AM, Claudio Freire wrote:
> >My completely unproven theory is that swapping is overwhelmed by
> >near-misses. Ie: a process touches a page, and before it's
> >actually swapped in, another process touches it too, blocking on
> >the other process' read. But the second process doesn't account
> >for that page when evaluating predictive models (ie: read-ahead),
> >so the next I/O by process 2 is unexpected to the kernel. Then
> >the same with 1. Etc... In essence, swap, by a fluke of its
> >implementation, fails utterly to predict the I/O pattern, and
> >results in far sub-optimal reads.
> >
> >Explicit I/O is free from that effect, all read calls are
> >accountable, and that makes a difference.
> >
> >Maybe, if the kernel could be fixed in that respect, you could
> >consider mmap'd files as a suitable form of temporary storage.
> >But that would depend on the success and availability of such a
> >fix/patch.
>
> Another option is to consider some of the more "radical" ideas in
> this thread, but only for temporary data. Our write sequencing and
> other needs are far less stringent for this stuff. -- Jim C.

I suspect that a lot of the temporary data issues can be solved by
using tmpfs for temporary files....

Cheers,

Dave.
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Dave Chinner
david(at)fromorbit(dot)com

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