Re: Permanent settings

From: Aidan Van Dyk <aidan(at)highrise(dot)ca>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Cc: Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Gregory Stark <stark(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, Csaba Nagy <nagy(at)ecircle-ag(dot)com>
Subject: Re: Permanent settings
Date: 2008-02-20 23:17:37
Message-ID: 20080220231737.GF16099@yugib.highrise.ca
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* Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com> [080220 18:00]:
> All,
>
> I think we're failing to discuss the primary use-case for this, which
> is one reason why the solutions aren't obvious.

> However, imagine you're adminning 250 PostgreSQL servers backing a
> social networking application. You decide the application needs a
> higher default sort_mem for all new connections, on all 250 servers.
> How, exactly, do you deploy that?
>
> Worse, imagine you're an ISP and you have 250 *differently configured*
> PostgreSQL servers on vhosts, and you need to roll out a change in
> logging destination to all machines while leaving other settings
> untouched.

But, from my experience, those are "pretty much" solved, with things
like rsync, SCM (pick your favourite) and tools like "clusterssh,
multixterm", rancid, wish, expect, etc.

I would have thought that any "larger enterprise" was familiar with
these approaches, and are probably using them already to
manage/configure there general unix environments

> We need a server-based tool for the manipulating postgresql.conf, and
> one which is network-accessable, allows updating individual settings,
> and can be plugged into 3rd-party server management tools. This goes
> for pg_hba.conf as well, for the same reasons.
>
> If we want to move PostgreSQL into larger enterprises (and I certainly
> do) we need to make it more manageable.

Do we need to develop our own set of "remote management" tools/systems,
or possibly document some best practices using already available "multi-
server managment" tools?

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