Re: FUD!! ODBC will not be supported by Microsoft in the future

Client-server brings up a bunch of issues that don't
apply when using local data storage for applications
such as MS Access: server load/performance, network
performance, lack of support for certain application
features etc. These issues require a higher level of
awareness by the user/developer of what is going on.

Some products are easy to use because they silently
handle things that you would otherwise have to handle
yourself. MS Access itself is a prime example of
this. PostgreSQL requires more of the user, because
you have to do more of the driving yourself. It's the
old control vs. complexity tradeoff.

The silently-manage-things-for-you approach is
attractive, until you find that the behaviour you are
getting is not what you want. Then it can be hard to
change.

Even people who work a lot with MS Access end up
having to know a lot about how Access does things
behind the scenes, because inevitably they run into
cases where Access just doesn't do what they want.

I am using Access as the example, but this refers just
as much to the Oracle & SQL Server ODBC setups
referred to in earlier posts.

--- Steve Lutz <slutz(at)alacritude(dot)com> wrote:
> Hi Again Stephen,
>
> I've also had similar issues with Oracle and SQL
> Server. I don't use
> access as part of the system, but use it to link to
> tables for quick
> data checks, or quick data entry, especially during
> development. It's
> also great for import/export and initial data setup.
> I think that the
> problem may be more with the server and not
> especially with the ODBC
> driver, and possibly a little bit to do with access.
> I know that access
> simplifies things, and it doesn't alway do what I
> expected (especially
> queries with joined linked tables).
>
> One workaround I've found is that instead of opening
> the table directly,
> create an updatable query that includes the entire
> source table, (Select
> * from source_table) then use that query instead of
> the linked table
> directly. I think that the query will do a cursor,
> but opening a linked
> table doesn't.
>
> I'm posting this to the list in case other people
> have had similar
> issues.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frost [mailto:sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:18 AM
> To: Steve Lutz
> Subject: Re: [ODBC] FUD!! ODBC will not be supported
> by Microsoft in the
> future
>
>
> * Steve Lutz (slutz(at)alacritude(dot)com) wrote:
> > When you say open a table, what do you mean? Are
> you doing a SELECT *
> > from BIG_TABLE? Or are you just attempting to
> select individual rows?
> > (Select * FROM BIG_TABLE WHERE
> SOMECOLUMN=SOMEVALUE)
> >
> > We have many huge tables, but we never really
> select the entire table,
> > but if you are having problems with sub-sets of
> those tables, I'd like
> > to know.
>
> As I mentioned, we're using Access. When you link
> in a table with
> access and then 'open' it by double-clicking on the
> 'table' you get the
> table view. With Oracle, at least, it seems to do
> this alright, even
> for pretty big tables. With Postgres for the same
> tables it grinds the
> machine to a halt. My guess as to the reason would
> be that the postgres
> libraries will attempt to copy the entire table into
> local memory and
> then give it to access, which also tries to put it
> all in memory, so
> you end up with two copies of the data in memory. A
> cursor in the ODBC
> driver could help with this issue, or a change in
> the API to allow you
> to get things piecemeal, which is what Oracle does
> and what I would
> prefer personally.
>
> Stephen
>
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