Re: Are we losing momentum?

On Wednesday 16 April 2003 19:21, greg(at)turnstep(dot)com wrote:
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> > In fact I think postgresql is easier to use. Till date, I could never
> > start mysql by hand and get it behave sanely. pg_ctl or nohup postmaster
> > has always worked for me.
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> This is weird, because despite mysql's technical inferiority, it really is
> pretty simple to use. Also seems a little hypocritical of you in light of
> the RTFM rant later on in your email. :)

Yes. That is correct. But going thr. 3.5MB html to find out things which has
got tons of options and figuring out interdependencies by trial and error is
not a good job at that. Whoever thinks that such a style on manual writing is
good, needs an attitude readjustment. Postgresql manual is ten times better.

> > Besides postgresql is true to it's resource usage. You allocate 128MB of
> > shared buffers, and they are consumed. You stop postmaster and all the
> > buffers are back to system. With mysql, I found that large amount of
> > memory was never returned to system even after service shutdown. I hate
> > black-boxes on my system where I can not fathom into. Had to reboot the
> > machine.
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> "Black-boxes"? It's open-source, just like we are. Did you read their
> manual "start to end"? Did you ask on their mailing lists? I'm no MySQL
> fan, but I'd rather let them, not us, dish out the FUD. The original poster
> had some valid points (auto-vacuum and non-intuitive commands) that still
> need addressing, IMO.

I didn't go to any mailing list. My point is, if I pierce the startup-shutdown
chapter in mysql manual and can not get it working by hand, either I am
stupid or something wrong with mysql. May sound arrogant but I count on
later.

Have you seen postgresql 101 I wrote? It is at
http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/PostgresQL101. It is that simple with
postgresql. Now this is not the forum but can anybody point me to similar
document for mysql. /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql start always works but it does not
allow me to tweak options for mysqld which is first thing I want.

Anyway I must admit that I was reluctant to use mysql and was turned off
pretty quickly. Mine is probably a irreproducible bug but I did encounter it.

Shridhar