From: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(at)vondra(dot)me> |
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To: | Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> |
Cc: | Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Peter Smith <smithpb2250(at)gmail(dot)com>, John Naylor <johncnaylorls(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Hayato Kuroda (Fujitsu)" <kuroda(dot)hayato(at)fujitsu(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: Parallel heap vacuum |
Date: | 2025-09-18 00:00:50 |
Message-ID: | 1efaf164-0e99-4111-b996-e53f4f64bbee@vondra.me |
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On 9/18/25 01:22, Andres Freund wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2025-09-17 13:25:11 +0200, Tomas Vondra wrote:
>> I believe the reason why parallelism is disabled in autovacuum is that
>> we want autovacuum to be a background process, with minimal disruption
>> to user workload. It probably wouldn't be that hard to allow autovacuum
>> to do parallel stuff, but it feels similar to adding autovacuum workers.
>> That's rarely the solution, without increasing the cost limit.
>
> I continue to find this argument extremely unconvincing. It's very common for
> autovacuum to be continuously be busy with the one large table that has a
> bunch of indexes. Vacuuming that one table is what prevents the freeze horizon
> to move forward / prevents getting out of anti-wraparound territory in time.
>
OK. I'm not claiming the argument is correct, I mostly asking if this
was the argument for not allowing parallelism in autovacuum.
I don't doubt an autovacuum worker can get "stuck" on a huge table,
holding back the freeze horizon. But does it happen even with an
increased cost limit? And is the bottleneck I/O or CPU?
If it's vacuum_cost_limit, then the right "fix" is increasing the limit.
Just adding workers improves nothing. If it's waiting on I/O, then
adding workers is not going to help much. With CPU bottleneck it might,
though. Does that match the cases you saw?
regards
--
Tomas Vondra
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