From: | Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com> |
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To: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
Cc: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Kevin Grittner <kevin(dot)grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Russell Smith <mr-russ(at)pws(dot)com(dot)au>, Jan Wieck <janwieck(at)yahoo(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: Idea for getting rid of VACUUM FREEZE on cold pages |
Date: | 2010-06-04 20:27:19 |
Message-ID: | 1275682945-sup-9013@alvh.no-ip.org |
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Excerpts from Bruce Momjian's message of vie jun 04 15:39:07 -0400 2010:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> writes:
> > > With in-place VACUUM FULL gone in 9.0, will there be as much need for
> > > xmin/xmax forensics?
> >
> > You know perfectly well that no one could answer that question.
> > (Or at least not answer it on the basis of facts available today.)
>
> Well, guess then. In the past, how many forensic cases were needed for
> in-place VACUUM FULL bugs, vs. other cases?
I don't understand the question. I know I have debugged a bunch of
cases of data corruption, and having xmin/xmax around has been truly
useful. VACUUM FULL has never been involved (that I know of -- most of
our customers tend not to run it AFAIK), so why would I care about
whether it's gone in 9.0? Note that it's not always about PG bugs; but
in the cases where xmin=FrozenXid for all/most involved tuples, the
problems are more difficult to track down.
Yes, VACUUM FULL had bugs too -- I, for one, welcome our new
not-in-place VACUUM FULL overlord.
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Álvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
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