From: | Zeugswetter Andreas SB <ZeugswetterA(at)wien(dot)spardat(dot)at> |
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To: | "'Mikheev, Vadim'" <vmikheev(at)SECTORBASE(dot)COM> |
Cc: | "'pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org'" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | AW: AW: Plans for solving the VACUUM problem |
Date: | 2001-05-30 10:18:07 |
Message-ID: | 11C1E6749A55D411A9670001FA6879633682FE@sdexcsrv1.f000.d0188.sd.spardat.at |
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> > > > So are whole pages stored in rollback segments or just
> > > > the modified data?
> > >
> > > This is implementation dependent. Storing whole pages is
> > > much easy to do, but obviously it's better to store just
> > > modified data.
> >
> > I am not sure it is necessarily better. Seems to be a tradeoff here.
> > pros of whole pages:
> > a possible merge with physical log (for first
> > modification of a page after checkpoint
> > there would be no overhead compared to current
> > since it is already written now)
>
> Using WAL as RS data storage is questionable.
No, I meant the other way around. Move the physical log pages away from WAL
files to the "rollback segment" (imho "snapshot area" would be a better name)
> > in a clever implementation a page already in the
> > "rollback segment" might satisfy the
> > modification of another row on that page, and
> > thus would not need any additional io.
>
> This would be possible only if there was no commit (same SCN)
> between two modifications.
I don't think someone else's commit matters unless it touches the same page.
In that case a reader would possibly need to chain back to an older version
inside the snapshot area, and then it gets complicated even in the whole page
case. A good concept could probably involve both whole page and change
only, and let the optimizer decide what to do.
> But, aren't we too deep on overwriting smgr (O-smgr) implementation?
Yes, but some understanding of the possibilities needs to be sorted out
to allow good decicsions, no ?
Andreas
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