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Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ?

From: "Chris Travers" <chris(at)travelamericas(dot)com>
To: "Ericson Smith" <eric(at)did-it(dot)com>
Cc: "pgsql-general (at) postgresql (dot) org" <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ?
Date: 2003-12-30 04:52:39
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"Ericson Smith" <eric(at)did-it(dot)com> Wrote:

> A documentation system like the one over at, would be
> fantastic for Postgresql. There could be lookups based on SQL commands,
> Functions, and Sitewide Searches. This alone would go a long way to
> expose PHP to "the masses".
Here is the problem, IMO.  PHP has a very well developed documentation
system which already closely parallels the PostgreSQL docs-- i.e. light
tutorial, with more advanced manual sections, etc.  In fact, the PostgreSQL
documentation has more depth and is more comprehensive than the PHP manual
(which is broad and shallow)..

However, a language like PHP is very different from an enterprise DB, so our
tutorial really doesn't help a newbie to databases understand how to USE
PostgreSQL.  In order to do this, it would need to cover a bunch of other
topics as well, such as normalization, etc.  The result would be something
that you probably would not want to include in your standard reference

In other threads, I have been vocal on the need for a community-maintained
PostgreSQL curriculum separate from the official PostgreSQL docs.  I
honestly think that this need would be well addressed by such a curriculum.
The closest thing that is available at the moment, IMO, is Bruce Momjian's

> In terms of using MySQL or Postgresql, lets all face it, most data
> storage work could be easily and efficiently handled by text files,
> since there needs to be just infrequent inserts and updates, and mostly
> reads. The majority of interfaces exposed on the web follow this
> paradigm, and include:
> * Content management
> * Catalogs
> * Shopping cart stuff
> * User management
True, until you need transactional control.  Then text files break down very

> Yes, our powerful and easy to use PG can do all of that too, but SQLite,
> Sleepycat DBM files and MySQL can do it as well. There are going to be
> even more migrations for Oracle to MySQL than from Oracle to PG, because
> so many of those Oracle installations were overkill in the first place.

Perhaps, except that Oracle DBA's may find PostgreSQL more to their liking
than MySQL.

> Getting mindshare is a different problem. That requires PG to have a
> full time effective press person. This press person would need to be in
> touch with the press constantly to tell them things like:
> * PG is a great back for windows clients using ODBC/MS Access/Excel
> * PG is a "real" database comparable to Oracle
> * PG costs nothing
> * Free support is fabulous, and paid support is available
> * Development is constant

And this need is not filled by the Advocacy group how?  If we were to do as
you propose, who would pay that person?

> In the end, I believe that PG needs to move into an organizational
> structure so that its considerable assets can be fully realized, its
> wonderful developers may be fully compensated, and commercial users (our
> bread and butter), can have an official place to help sponsor features
> of the system and so on. All this is more than a website. Someone posted
> pictures of the PG booth at a show recently. It was nice, but there was
> this one sad guy shrouded in darkness -- I felt depressed, because
> that's how PG advocacy felt.

I am not opposed to the idea of a non-profit organization similar to those
that run Apache, XFree86, etc.  I think it would take some work to do, and
there may need to be some debate to iron out how this would work.  But I am
not sure that it is the only or even the best way.

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers

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