|From:||Konstantin Knizhnik <k(dot)knizhnik(at)postgrespro(dot)ru>|
|To:||Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>|
|Cc:||Christoph Berg <myon(at)debian(dot)org>, Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>|
|Subject:||Re: Surjective functional indexes|
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On 14.09.2017 13:19, Simon Riggs wrote:
> On 14 September 2017 at 10:42, Konstantin Knizhnik
> <k(dot)knizhnik(at)postgrespro(dot)ru> wrote:
>> On 13.09.2017 14:00, Simon Riggs wrote:
>>> On 13 September 2017 at 11:30, Konstantin Knizhnik
>>> <k(dot)knizhnik(at)postgrespro(dot)ru> wrote:
>>>> The only reason of all this discussion about terms is that I need to
>>>> name for correspondent index option.
>>>> Simon think that we do not need this option at all. In this case we
>>>> not worry about right term.
>>>> From my point of view, "projection" is quite clear notion and not only
>>>> mathematics. It is also widely used in IT and especially in DBMSes.
>>> If we do have an option it won't be using fancy mathematical
>>> terminology at all, it would be described in terms of its function,
>>> e.g. recheck_on_update
>>> Yes, I'd rather not have an option at all, just some simple code with
>>> useful effect, like we have in many other places.
>> Attached please find new version of projection functional index optimization
>> I have implemented very simple autotune strategy: now I use table statistic
>> to compare total number of updates with number of hot updates.
>> If fraction of hot updates is relatively small, then there is no sense to
>> spend time performing extra evaluation of index expression and comparing its
>> old and new values.
>> Right now the formula is the following:
>> #define MIN_UPDATES_THRESHOLD 10
>> #define HOT_RATIO_THRESHOLD 2
>> if (stat->tuples_updated > MIN_UPDATES_THRESHOLD
>> && stat->tuples_updated >
>> /* If percent of hot updates is small, then disable projection
>> index function
>> * optimization to eliminate overhead of extra index expression
>> ii->ii_Projection = false;
>> This threshold values are pulled out of a hat: I am not sure if this
>> heuristic is right.
>> I will be please to get feedback if such approach to autotune is promising.
> Hmm, not really, but thanks for trying.
> This works by looking at overall stats, and only looks at the overall
> HOT %, so its too heavyweight and coarse.
> I suggested storing stat info on the relcache and was expecting you
> would look at how often the expression evaluates to new == old. If we
> evaluate new against old many times, then if the success rate is low
> we should stop attempting the comparison. (<10%?)
> Another idea:
> If we don't make a check when we should have done then we will get a
> non-HOT update, so we waste time extra time difference between a HOT
> and non-HOT update. If we check and fail we waste time take to perform
> check. So the question is how expensive the check is against how
> expensive a non-HOT update is. Could we simply say we don't bother to
> check functions that have a cost higher than 10000? So if the user
> doesn't want to perform the check they can just increase the cost of
> the function above the check threshold?
Attached pleased find one more patch which calculates hot update check
hit rate more precisely: I have to extended PgStat_StatTabEntry with two
hot_update_hits and hot_update_misses.
Concerning your idea to check cost of index function: it certainly makes
The only problems: I do not understand now how to calculate this cost.
It can be easily calculated by optimizer when it is building query
But inside BuildIndexInfo I have just reference to Relation and have no
I can propagate here information about index expression cost from optimizer.
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