Re: On disable_cost

From: Jian Guo <gjian(at)vmware(dot)com>
To: Euler Taveira <euler(at)timbira(dot)com(dot)br>, Zhenghua Lyu <zlyu(at)vmware(dot)com>
Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: On disable_cost
Date: 2023-08-03 09:21:39
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Hi hackers,

I have write an initial patch to retire the disable_cost​ GUC, which labeled a flag on the Path struct instead of adding up a big cost which is hard to estimate. Though it involved in tons of plan changes in regression tests, I have tested on some simple test cases such as eagerly generate a two-stage agg plans and it worked. Could someone help to review?

regards,

Jian
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From: Euler Taveira <euler(at)timbira(dot)com(dot)br>
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 22:48
To: Zhenghua Lyu <zlyu(at)vmware(dot)com>
Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: On disable_cost

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Em sex, 1 de nov de 2019 às 03:42, Zhenghua Lyu <zlv(at)pivotal(dot)io> escreveu:
>
> My issue: I did some spikes and tests on TPCDS 1TB Bytes data. For query 104, it generates
> nestloop join even with enable_nestloop set off. And the final plan's total cost is very huge (about 1e24). But If I enlarge the disable_cost to 1e30, then, planner will generate hash join.
>
> So I guess that disable_cost is not large enough for huge amount of data.
>
> It is tricky to set disable_cost a huge number. Can we come up with better solution?
>
Isn't it a case for a GUC disable_cost? As Thomas suggested, DBL_MAX
upper limit should be sufficient.

> The following thoughts are from Heikki:
>>
>> Aside from not having a large enough disable cost, there's also the fact that the high cost might affect the rest of the plan, if we have to use a plan type that's disabled. For example, if a table doesn't have any indexes, but enable_seqscan is off, we might put the unavoidable Seq Scan on different side of a join than we we would with enable_seqscan=on, because of the high cost estimate.
>
>
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>> I think a more robust way to disable forbidden plan types would be to handle the disabling in add_path(). Instead of having a high disable cost on the Path itself, the comparison add_path() would always consider disabled paths as more expensive than others, regardless of the cost.
>
I'm afraid it is not as cheap as using diable_cost as a node cost. Are
you proposing to add a new boolean variable in Path struct to handle
those cases in compare_path_costs_fuzzily?

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