damien clochard wrote:
> Le 09/06/2011 23:45, Josh Berkus a écrit :
>>> They are free because the specific sponsor that you found requires US
>>> Letter format. Maybe for the next issues, once we have an economic
>>> model, then we will find sponsors that can pay for A4 format printing.
>>> Do you think it's possible or am i daydreaming ? :-)
>> It's possible, but you're *always* going to have a use for that $800 to
>> $2000 you'd spend on printing if we could get it printed for free.
>> Besides ...
> I understand perfectly but look at the situation the other way around :
> if the magazine was in US Letter format, then the rest-of-the-world
> would have to pay an expensive price to print it. From your point of
> view, Letter format is cheaper. But from a global perspective it would
> be more expensive.
I used to work for a publishing company that had a printing unit. They
are very close to where I live. Would there be any problem if I took a
copy of the PDF to them to see they can print it folded and stapled as
A4 size and what they would charge?
>>> I don't think that you can give this magazine just like you give away
>>> leaflets or flyers. The magazine should be free, but not given to
>>> everyone. I mean you don't give 24 pages of paper to a guy that will
>>> throw it before the end of the day.
>> Sure. But $7 each is on the same scale as a t-shirt. I'd like to get
>> it down to $3 each (or free in the US). At that level, I can give one
>> to every MIS or CTO or DBA I meet who is seriously interested in PostgreSQL.
>> As an example, we had some nice PostgreSQL USB drives made. But they
>> ended up costing us $8 each. Which we then couldn't justify giving out
>> for free. As a result, we sat on them for over a year and didn't give
>> *any* of them out. I'd like to avoid repeating that with the magazine.
> I've been there too :) My conclusion is that when we decide that some
> goodies are free, then we should give them all out. Regardless how much
> they cost. Like you said the worst thing is to sat on them...
> Afterwards you can judge that it was a "bad idea"(tm) and decide you
> won't do it again. But during the booth i think it's better not to raise
> such questions. That's just not the right place and time.
>>> a) I am ok to reformat the magazine for you. I just said that i can't do
>>> it before june 18th. Btw you never gave your deadline.
>> Biggest deadline would be getting them printed in time for OSCON. June
>> 18th would be in plenty of time for that.
>>> c) I am not pitching a fit to you. I am just discussing about trademarks
>>> issues, format possibilities and other questions that are raised by what
>>> you are asking
>> Right, this started with you saying that you didn't want me using the
>> name "PostgreSQL Magazine" if I reformatted it US Letter.
> What is said was : **if possible**, i **would like** that **any fork**
> change their name. Then I repeated that it wasn't a strong opinion and
> that i was ok if you don't follow my view.
> Call that "pitching a fit" if you want... :D
>>> Like i said, you can't have "easy + cheap + classy". At least for this
>>> demo issue. For the next ones, we will try to ease format transformation.
>>> For now, if you want the US Letter version to be as good as the original
>>> version, than each page needs to be revamped. This is not trivial. I
>>> think it would take between 30 minutes and 2 hours.
>> That actually sound pretty easy to me ... ah. You mean 2 hours per
>> page? Huh. Seems like most of the pages would be easier than that,
>> there's just a few with bleeds to edge which would be painful.
>> Of course, I've never designed anything bigger than a flyer with
>> Scribus, maybe it's really difficult to use.
> Scribus is not difficult. You would have the very same problem with
> InDesign or Quark, really. Ask any layout editor you can find, the page
> format is a key parameter. You don't jump from one to another like that.
> The problem we face here (providing a magazine in multiple page format)
> is complex. There's a reason why professional magazines don't do it.
> Just try for yourself if you don't believe me...
>> BTW, you should maybe try redoing the EU flyers around some of our flyer
>> designs here. We do some pretty professional-looking flyers in the US.
> I didn't see that one coming :)
> Actually, most of the time i would use Inkscape for flyers, precisely
> because scalable documents are a dream if you have to deal with multiple
> formats... Anyway i'm interested by your scribus flyers, where can i
> find them ?
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